Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:25 pm
Admin Edit: Rumors of Mr. Hetmann's retirement have been greatly exaggerated!
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Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:29 pm
Well that certainly is a bummer. Most of the oils that I use regularly are Hetman. The large range of viscosity really helped me get the exact valve action I wanted. I've probably got enough in my current bottles to last me years, but it is kinda sad.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:58 pm
Apparently Meinlschmidt bought the assets.
I'll keep singing the praises of Ultra-Pure!
I'll keep singing the praises of Ultra-Pure!
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:25 pm
I heard that about Meinlshmidt but who knows how long until they up and running. Will it be the same?
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:27 pm
I love hetmans, but ultra-pure is better. Give it a shot.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:34 pm
Is ultra-pure water soluable? I loved Hetmanns because I could flush all of it with water if I needed to.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:44 pm
Oh that's not good news! Is there any equivalent that'll be available to Hetman Hydro-Slide? It really helps extend the life of a Trombotine application.
I'll be kinda sad to have to search for new valve oil but that's likely easier to find a tolerable replacement.
I'll be kinda sad to have to search for new valve oil but that's likely easier to find a tolerable replacement.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:20 pm
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:56 pm
Please don't every everyone panic !! There was a time, not so long ago, that the only choice for slide lube was "Pond's Cold Cream" ! You know ---- it worked perfectly well !
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:54 pm
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:34 pm
I thought the Hetman oils were now being sold under the Shires name. ?
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:53 am
You probably have more effective means of cleaning something than I do. I've had valves gunk up before when I was using stuff that didn't dissolve with water if it accidentally found its way down the tubing. I'm not super handy, so I prefer just to be able to flush with water if anything happens (which I can't remember that ever happening since I switched to hetmans like 10 years ago or so). I don't find it a big inconvenience to put a few drops of valve oil on my valves when I go to use them.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:28 am
My concern is more with the ability for normal moisture to flush away the lubricant easily.
I rarely find oils or greases REALLY gummed up in the tubing, and usually find that mineral spirits are a very capable solvent.
I rarely find oils or greases REALLY gummed up in the tubing, and usually find that mineral spirits are a very capable solvent.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:29 am
Shires was buying oils from Hetman, not producing them. I'm told they are now using UltraPure in the factory.Mamaposaune wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:34 pm I thought the Hetman oils were now being sold under the Shires name. ?
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:31 am
I've been pretty happy with 5 Starr oils recently.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:24 am
So what’s the alternative for Hetman’s Classic Piston valve oil? My bass trumpet and euphonium are both really old and those valves like the Classic valve oil……
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:28 am
I am in the same dilemma, and was thinking of giving the Ultra Pure Black Label Classic oil a try - since it's a little thicker and designed for worn valves. I'm not in a position to give advice (since I've never used that oil), but maybe someone here has experience with it and can give their two cents.droffilcal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:24 am So what’s the alternative for Hetman’s Classic Piston valve oil? My bass trumpet and euphonium are both really old and those valves like the Classic valve oil……
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:47 am
5 Starr makes one called RedZone that is intended for that purpose. http://fivestarrproducts.com/home/?p=54droffilcal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:24 am So what’s the alternative for Hetman’s Classic Piston valve oil? My bass trumpet and euphonium are both really old and those valves like the Classic valve oil……
I got a sample from my local store, and it seems good on my older Shires rotary valves.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:51 pm
I've had good luck on my Euph with Blue Juice and with UltraPure.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:57 pm
I agree with Gabe. I’ve been using 5 Starr on my Greenhoe valves for a year.
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Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:24 pm
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:43 pm
Listen to the most recent episode of the Third Coast Trombone Retreat podcast. They mention oils from Meinlshmidt with the Hetman nomenclature.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:20 pm
I bought a 64 oz bottle of ultra pure paraffin lamp oil for $10. Works as good as anything else, and I don't feel bad about dumping a lot in the valves. For me the oil helps clean valves as much as lube.
Hetmans actually caused my tight tolerance valves to bind.
Hetmans actually caused my tight tolerance valves to bind.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:14 pm
Not true. I know Joe, and ran in to him tonight at a concert, so I was able to ask him directly. He is not going out of business, he is just experiencing some supply chain issues. His product will continue to be available. And I, for one, will continue to buy and use his valve oils!ZacharyThornton wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:25 pm I have heard the rumors but finally got the information from a reliable source. Mr. Hetman has retired and as of now Hetman is completely unavailable.
Maybe someone will buy the company? But for now no more Hetman.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:38 pm
Fake News has invaded TromboneChat!Mamaposaune wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:14 pmNot true. I know Joe, and ran in to him tonight at a concert, so I was able to ask him directly. He is not going out of business, he is just experiencing some supply chain issues. His product will continue to be available. And I, for one, will continue to buy and use his valve oils!ZacharyThornton wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:25 pm I have heard the rumors but finally got the information from a reliable source. Mr. Hetman has retired and as of now Hetman is completely unavailable.
Maybe someone will buy the company? But for now no more Hetman.
Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet!
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:12 pm
I guess I could have been less sparky in my reply. But Joe hears the rumors (some are far worse that what's posted here) and wonders how they get started..Posaunus wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:38 pmFake News has invaded TromboneChat!Mamaposaune wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:14 pm
Not true. I know Joe, and ran in to him tonight at a concert, so I was able to ask him directly. He is not going out of business, he is just experiencing some supply chain issues. His product will continue to be available. And I, for one, will continue to buy and use his valve oils!
Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet!
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:29 am
People within his company (or distribution network) are telling retailers that their products are no longer available and that he is retiring… he should have an in house meeting then if that isn’t true. I love their products and I hope they aren’t going away! I want to be proven wrong!
Re: Hetman- NOT Out of Business
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:25 am
I called and asked some higher up people I know. I’ve been lied too. Hetman is NOT gone and Mr. Hetman is NOT retired. I am sorry. If possible I would like to tell Mr. Hetman myself that I am sorry.
This ruins any credibility I have ever had and now I know to do my own research and not listen to the people I did.
If possible, can an admin delete this thread but leave my apology up? I don’t want people finding this on a Google search when they are looking for Mr. Hetman’s products.
I am sorry, I messed up.
This ruins any credibility I have ever had and now I know to do my own research and not listen to the people I did.
If possible, can an admin delete this thread but leave my apology up? I don’t want people finding this on a Google search when they are looking for Mr. Hetman’s products.
I am sorry, I messed up.
Re: Hetman- NOT Out of Business
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:54 am
Eh, in the grand scheme of things I dont' think this is that big of a deal. But I'll clean it upZacharyThornton wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:25 am I called and asked some higher up people I know. I’ve been lied too. Hetman is NOT gone and Mr. Hetman is NOT retired. I am sorry. If possible I would like to tell Mr. Hetman myself that I am sorry.
This ruins any credibility I have ever had and now I know to do my own research and not listen to the people I did.
If possible, can an admin delete this thread but leave my apology up? I don’t want people finding this on a Google search when they are looking for Mr. Hetman’s products.
I am sorry, I messed up.
Re: Hetman- Out of Business
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:57 am
Locking thread, if anything not someone will see the first post debunking the rumor as well as the discussion about how it was debunked as well as the trailing comment, this one, indicating that Hetmann products will continue to be available for the foreseeable future!