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by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:03 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: ‘German’ trombone sound concept
Replies: 14
Views: 6812

‘German’ trombone sound concept

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=104243.msg1231127#msg1231127"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=104243.msg1231127#msg1231127]</s>Quote from: MrHCinDE on Feb 01, 2018, 03:17AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Up next for our orchestra is Haydn's Jahreszeiten. Here's a link to th...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:03 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: ‘German’ trombone sound concept
Replies: 14
Views: 6812

‘German’ trombone sound concept

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=104243.msg1231127#msg1231127"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=104243.msg1231127#msg1231127]</s>Quote from: MrHCinDE on Feb 01, 2018, 03:17AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Up next for our orchestra is Haydn's Jahreszeiten. Here's a link to th...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:03 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: ‘German’ trombone sound concept
Replies: 14
Views: 6812

‘German’ trombone sound concept

<t>German trombone design remained pretty much constant from the 1840s until well after World War II. (More recent designs have adopted American design elements.) Traditional Konzertposaune design elements include the use of very thin metal reinforced by a bell garland, which may be as thin as a cou...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:18 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Mpcs in British orchestras
Replies: 40
Views: 5575

Mpcs in British orchestras

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=103912.msg1228826#msg1228826"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=103912.msg1228826#msg1228826]</s>Quote from: Gabe Langfur on Jan 16, 2018, 06:37PM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Ray Premru liked my Bach 50BG3 with lightweight slide quite a bit,...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:14 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Mpcs in British orchestras
Replies: 40
Views: 5575

Mpcs in British orchestras

All the Maniacal 4 trombonists use Wick mouthpieces and mutes. Matt Jefferson is the bass trombone.
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:45 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??
Replies: 1683
Views: 119557

Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=23254.msg1216479#msg1216479"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=23254.msg1216479#msg1216479]</s>Quote from: blast on Oct 11, 2017, 01:37AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Of course. Listen to professional bass trombone players in the UK and you w...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:42 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Another Wagner conundrum.
Replies: 16
Views: 2702

Another Wagner conundrum.

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=102573.msg1216770#msg1216770"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=102573.msg1216770#msg1216770]</s>Quote from: Stewbones43 on Oct 13, 2017, 03:28PM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Rienzi uses 3 trombones and an ophicleide/bass tuba and a contrabas...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:57 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: Odd old Courtois
Replies: 6
Views: 1710

Odd old Courtois

Probably designed to be dual purpose over-the-shoulder and regular bell-front.
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:52 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Another Wagner conundrum.
Replies: 16
Views: 2702

Another Wagner conundrum.

<t>The Ring cycle trombone parts per se are not a mess in general. It is only the fourth trombone part that is a problem. To cut a long story short, the fourth trombone part is a doubling part for bass and contrabass trombone and for the Ride (the opening of Act III in Die Walküre), the fourth tromb...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:45 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Wagner-Flying Dutchman Overture on alto trombone??
Replies: 21
Views: 2823

Wagner-Flying Dutchman Overture on alto trombone??

Wagner was also a conductor and is on record travelling and conducting across the Germanic states and demanding the use of a second tenor trombone when he encountered the alto. See Ottmar Schreiber.
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:44 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: 2G or not 2G ? That is the question.
Replies: 78
Views: 4286

2G or not 2G ? That is the question.

<t>I'm liking the sound of your next journey, Chris.<br/> <br/> I have journeyed from a 1G to a 2G since 1985, when I switched to bass trombone. Back then, I was playing a King and could not get the dark sound I wanted, so went as large as I could go at the time, a Bach 1G. I stuck with that large s...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:43 am
Forum: Practice Room
Topic: Can I get bottom C on single plug bass trombone?
Replies: 85
Views: 3815

Can I get bottom C on single plug bass trombone?

<t>There is a simple explanation for the availability of low C on a B flat/F trombone.<br/> <br/> When Sattler integrated the rotary valve attachment in 1839, it was (and still is) based on an acoustic compromise. The B flat trombone slide is not long enough with the F valve engaged to provide an in...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:33 am
Forum: Practice Room
Topic: Can I get bottom C on single plug bass trombone?
Replies: 85
Views: 3815

Can I get bottom C on single plug bass trombone?

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=101428.msg1205879#msg1205879"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=101428.msg1205879#msg1205879]</s>Quote from: svenlarsson on Today at 02:24 AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>There is no good low B on any single.<br/> <br/> Depends on the instrum...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:53 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Who in their right mind plays a single valve bass?
Replies: 145
Views: 6331

Who in their right mind plays a single valve bass?

I play valveless, single and double valve bass trombones. Straight F and G bass trombones, G/D and B flat/F bass trombones, and straight B flat tenor trombones (to play third trombone parts).
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:27 am
Forum: Practice Room
Topic: Till Eulenspiegel
Replies: 16
Views: 1370

Till Eulenspiegel

<t>If you are performing it with an orchestra, you must memorise the chromatic passage, which is impossible to play otherwise. To synchronise with the rest of the section and the conductor, who is picking up the pace throughout this passage, there is no time to rely on the notes on the page because ...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Wed May 24, 2017 1:13 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Anyone playing a rath cb2b on bass?
Replies: 4
Views: 679

Anyone playing a rath cb2b on bass?

I played one for a while when I had a Rath R9DST. Chris is right. It is like nothing else. Big, full, rich sound.
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Wed May 17, 2017 11:57 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: alto or tenor: Leonore #3
Replies: 163
Views: 8474

alto or tenor: Leonore #3

Bass trombones pitched a minor third lower than the tenor were in use in the time of Praetorius. It is nothing new, but was certainly more prevalent in the British Empire than anywhere else.
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu May 11, 2017 11:54 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: alto or tenor: Leonore #3
Replies: 163
Views: 8474

alto or tenor: Leonore #3

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=99585.msg1193317#msg1193317"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=99585.msg1193317#msg1193317]</s>Quote from: Mark LaFratta on May 11, 2017, 10:35AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>when you play a G bass in an orchestra, do the other trombones play...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu May 11, 2017 11:50 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Horst Voigt Bb/F Bass trombone 1982
Replies: 5
Views: 887

Horst Voigt Bb/F Bass trombone 1982

That sounds to me like a very specialised instrument, best suited to German and Austrian romantic repertoire such as Brahms, Schumann, Mendelssohn. If it's for brass band and big band, I wouldn't go anywhere near it.
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu May 11, 2017 4:44 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: alto or tenor: Leonore #3
Replies: 163
Views: 8474

alto or tenor: Leonore #3

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=99585.msg1193252#msg1193252"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=99585.msg1193252#msg1193252]</s>Quote from: BGuttman on May 11, 2017, 03:10AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Should I be using a G Bass for Elgar and Holst?  (Heaven forfend! <IMG s...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sat May 06, 2017 1:58 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: alto or tenor: Leonore #3
Replies: 163
Views: 8474

alto or tenor: Leonore #3

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=99585.msg1192437#msg1192437"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=99585.msg1192437#msg1192437]</s>Quote from: Tim Dowling on May 05, 2017, 12:02AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Ok the Reformation is 1830, very early Mendelssohn and published afte...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:06 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Why not the small bore for "legit" or classical style playing?
Replies: 137
Views: 7263

Why not the small bore for "legit" or classical style playing?

<t>I'll be doing a strange combination of works in little over a week's time. The orchestra has programmed Strauss Till Eulenspiegel and Debussy Images in the same concert and they demand very different styles of sound and approach. Trombones have all agreed to switch from large bore TTB instruments...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:18 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Why not the small bore for "legit" or classical style playing?
Replies: 137
Views: 7263

Why not the small bore for "legit" or classical style playing?

<t>I'll second that, Dave.<br/> <br/> I've been fixing for various amateur London orchestras for longer than I care to remember now. I do have the luxury of suggesting which instruments would work well in different repertoire situations and given that the vast majority of those occasions involve eit...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:35 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Why not the small bore for "legit" or classical style playing?
Replies: 137
Views: 7263

Why not the small bore for "legit" or classical style playing?

<r>I still use smaller bore instruments in orchestral performance. There is a clear reason for doing so, especially when it comes to French music, which cries out for a lighter approach that doesn't come easily with large bore instruments.<br/> <br/> Both British and French music before 1950 require...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:50 am
Forum: Trombonists
Topic: Orchestral tenor/bass players
Replies: 41
Views: 2611

Orchestral tenor/bass players

Thomas Leyendecker (Berliner Philharmoniker)
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:07 am
Forum: Trombonists
Topic: Women Trombonists
Replies: 81
Views: 5791

Women Trombonists

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=17931.msg245479#msg245479"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=17931.msg245479#msg245479]</s>Quote from: Stewbones43 on Sep 09, 2005, 04:59AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Can't see any mention of Maisie Ringham Principal Trombone with the Halle...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:26 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Rare orchestral works with great trombone solos
Replies: 55
Views: 4512

Rare orchestral works with great trombone solos

<r>Seems unlikely that Symphonisches Praeludium is by either Bruckner or Mahler.<br/> <br/> Interesting discussion here: <URL url="http://gustavmahlerboard.com/forum/index.php?topic=1527.0"><s>[url=http://gustavmahlerboard.com/forum/index.php?topic=1527.0]</s><LINK_TEXT text="http://gustavmahlerboar...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:15 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: Liszt "Hosanna" instrument??
Replies: 27
Views: 3843

Liszt "Hosanna" instrument??

<r>See my previous post on the AMZ description of the new Sattler trombone: <URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,89286.msg1109617.html#msg1109617"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,89286.msg1109617.html#msg1109617]</s>Sattler's F valve<e>[/url]</e></URL>. Even if there a...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:08 am
Forum: Other Musicians and Ensembles
Topic: Michael Buble at the BBC
Replies: 9
Views: 2149

Michael Buble at the BBC

Not forgetting the amazing Lewis Dowdswell in the trumpets, too. He's incredible!
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:48 pm
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: Schumann on a 160 year old trombone
Replies: 15
Views: 2476

Schumann on a 160 year old trombone

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=93623.msg1158272#msg1158272"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=93623.msg1158272#msg1158272]</s>Quote from: Tim Dowling on Sep 27, 2016, 11:02PM<e>[/url]</e></URL>The Thein is a beautiful alto (I have played on one) and I think the ...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:13 am
Forum: Other Musicians and Ensembles
Topic: The Quincy Jones Prom
Replies: 10
Views: 1919

The Quincy Jones Prom

Agree about the sound balance. The Jacob Collier numbers were seriously lacking in enough from him to balance the orchestra and the other singers.
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:11 am
Forum: Other Musicians and Ensembles
Topic: John Fletcher
Replies: 8
Views: 1864

John Fletcher

<t>I met Fletch only once, for the 1987 LSO brass competition, which I entered (and Oren Marshall won!). He was a real inspiration. He said something really interesting about the bass instruments in the orchestra, particularly those that play in the contrabass register, along the lines of the public...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu May 05, 2016 11:56 pm
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: Use of Trombones in Orchestra
Replies: 189
Views: 14999

Use of Trombones in Orchestra

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=92088.msg1134808#msg1134808"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=92088.msg1134808#msg1134808]</s>Quote from: Le.Tromboniste on May 05, 2016, 12:14PM<e>[/url]</e></URL>-Sattler introduced the Quartventil (thus inventing the Tenorbaßpo...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue May 03, 2016 10:06 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: Use of Trombones in Orchestra
Replies: 189
Views: 14999

Use of Trombones in Orchestra

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=92088.msg1134289#msg1134289"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=92088.msg1134289#msg1134289]</s>Quote from: MoominDave on May 03, 2016, 09:31AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>What do you understand when Novello writes "alto, tenor, bass", and wh...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue May 03, 2016 7:00 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: Use of Trombones in Orchestra
Replies: 189
Views: 14999

Use of Trombones in Orchestra

Instead of this pissing contest, could we get back to the history of the trombone? I can't see how any of these pages of fruitless argument advance anyone's knowledge or understanding of the history of the trombone.
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:26 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??
Replies: 1683
Views: 119557

Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=23254.msg1127658#msg1127658"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=23254.msg1127658#msg1127658]</s>Quote from: blast on Mar 19, 2016, 04:22PM<e>[/url]</e></URL>The George Roberts mouthpieces.... copies of Georges favourite mouthpieces....
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:19 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: Liszt "Hosanna" instrument??
Replies: 27
Views: 3843

Liszt "Hosanna" instrument??

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=86468.msg1122592#msg1122592"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=86468.msg1122592#msg1122592]</s>Quote from: MaestroHound on Feb 15, 2016, 09:53PM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Incidentally, just by association of the time period--I am slotted t...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:14 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: Liszt "Hosanna" instrument??
Replies: 27
Views: 3843

Liszt "Hosanna" instrument??

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=86468.msg1122614#msg1122614"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=86468.msg1122614#msg1122614]</s>Quote from: HowardW on Feb 16, 2016, 01:57AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Basically, he has come to the conclusion that during Bruckner's time in L...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:30 am
Forum: Music, Concerts, and Recordings
Topic: Lesser known orchestral works
Replies: 84
Views: 7856

Lesser known orchestral works

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28410.msg1106059#msg1106059"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28410.msg1106059#msg1106059]</s>Quote from: Johnston93 on Nov 15, 2015, 06:34PM<e>[/url]</e></URL>I know this is an old topic, but I have to post this:<br/> <br/> <URL ...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:28 am
Forum: Music, Concerts, and Recordings
Topic: Lesser known orchestral works
Replies: 84
Views: 7856

Lesser known orchestral works

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28410.msg1106653#msg1106653"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28410.msg1106653#msg1106653]</s>Quote from: BGuttman on Nov 19, 2015, 06:49AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Dvorak 8 and 9 (old 4 and 5) are performed frequently, but the 7th (old ...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:02 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: How many horns do you own?
Replies: 157
Views: 15731

How many horns do you own?

<r>From my forum profile:<br/> <br/> Small bore trombones<br/> <URL url="https://www.edwardsolomon.co.uk/about/"><s>[url=https://www.edwardsolomon.co.uk/about/]</s><IMG src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7496/15884913325_d4306b00b5_c.jpg"><s>[img]</s><LINK_TEXT text="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:37 am
Forum: Music, Concerts, and Recordings
Topic: Bruckner!!!
Replies: 15
Views: 2693

Bruckner!!!

<r>I know it's maybe not the best quality recording (our recent British Trombone Society recording on CD is far better - buy it on the British Trombone Society website), but this was Trombonanza's performance in 2009: <URL url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq5TUL3tPUo"><s>[url=http://www.youtube.c...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:18 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: J.C. Penzel
Replies: 33
Views: 2405

J.C. Penzel

<r>Your best bet would be to try to obtain a copy of <URL url="http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Die_deutsche_Posaune.html?id=uQb-ewEACAAJ&redir_esc=y"><s>[url=http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Die_deutsche_Posaune.html?id=uQb-ewEACAAJ&redir_esc=y]</s>Die deutsche Posaune: ein Leipzi...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:42 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: J.C. Penzel
Replies: 33
Views: 2405

J.C. Penzel

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=61123.msg867699#msg867699"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=61123.msg867699#msg867699]</s>Quote from: Bart on Mar 06, 2012, 01:33PM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Can the use of different materials tell something about age? This trombone looks...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:34 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: J.C. Penzel
Replies: 33
Views: 2405

J.C. Penzel

<r>Here is an image of a Schopper trombone, which clearly states "R. Schopper/früher bei/J. C. Penzel/Leipzig" ("R. Schopper/earlier with/J. C. Penzel/Leipzig").<br/> <IMG src="http://www.horn-u-copia.net/instruments/Schopper/Schopper-tbn.jpg"><s>[img]</s><URL url="http://www.horn-u-copia.net/instru...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:14 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: J.C. Penzel
Replies: 33
Views: 2405

J.C. Penzel

<t>I'm still inclined to opt for the 1870s. I don't think that either Hellmann, Schopper or Ullmann would have left their instruments with the rather indistinguishable mark on this particular instrument, so I think it predates those workshops, but postdates Penzel.<br/> <br/> I also attach some phot...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:21 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: J.C. Penzel
Replies: 33
Views: 2405

J.C. Penzel

<t>I have found a small amount of biographical information on Johann Christoph Penzel, which might be of interest. This appeared (in German) in the catalogue of the recent exhibition in Leipzig last year. My translation follows. From the text, it is clear to me that it is very difficult indeed to da...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:53 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: J.C. Penzel
Replies: 33
Views: 2405

J.C. Penzel

<r><URL url="http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=61123.msg867662#msg867662"><s>[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=61123.msg867662#msg867662]</s>Quote from: Bart on Mar 06, 2012, 09:26AM<e>[/url]</e></URL>Were there any successors who didn't use their own name, but only the 'Nachfolge...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:06 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: J.C. Penzel
Replies: 33
Views: 2405

J.C. Penzel

<r>With respect, Stew, a DW mouthpiece might fit physically, but will absolutely not represent the right fit aesthetically (in terms of tone quality) for this instrument. A proper German mouthpiece by, for example, Schmidt, would be a more appropriate choice.<br/> <br/> I concur with Vintage88H. I t...
by ttf_Edward_Solomon
Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:10 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: joining the "olds" crowd
Replies: 331
Views: 25214

joining the "olds" crowd

<t>I picked up a 1915 Olds Standard recently. It's quite simply breathtaking. I've never come across a slide so good on a trombone so old. The tolerances are such that it will only work well with Slide-O-Mix. Just about every other vintage trombone I own uses slide cream, but this is truly in a clas...

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