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by Doug Elliott
Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:47 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Tongue Controlled Embochure
Replies: 44
Views: 945

Re: Tongue Controlled Embochure

TCE is not "a method of tonguing.". It's "a method of playing" with the tongue tip in contact with the lower lip.

I was playing that way before I studied with Reinhardt. My playing and sound improved significantly when I stopped doing that. It's a crutch.
by Doug Elliott
Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:21 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Mouthpiece Taper for Benge 190F
Replies: 4
Views: 176

Re: Mouthpiece Taper for Benge 190F

Benges and King large shank horns typically have a receiver taper that is neither Morse nor Conn, it's in between. A normal Morse taper will go in too far and wobble exactly as you noticed, and a Conn shank won't go in far enough and will wobble the other direction. Most of the mouthpieces that came...
by Doug Elliott
Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:57 am
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Melba Liston and her bones
Replies: 9
Views: 221

Re: Melba Liston and her bones

New to me too. It doesn't get any better than that, what a lineup of players!
by Doug Elliott
Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:49 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Tongue Controlled Embochure
Replies: 44
Views: 945

Re: Tongue Controlled Embochure

Yes I am biased, for very good reasons. I have read about TCE (and all the other methods) over the years and listened to recordings of Bahb Civiletti, and sorry but I'm not impressed. I have known plenty of players (like Jerome Callet) who could play very high using that technique (and other techniq...
by Doug Elliott
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Tongue Controlled Embochure
Replies: 44
Views: 945

Re: Tongue Controlled Embochure

Please everybody - note that I specifically asked the OP to provide some recorded evidence of his success, and he has not done so. I have not yet heard anyone use that style of embouchure, that I would WANT to listen to. Including the links of the trumpet players who advocate it. I certainly don't w...
by Doug Elliott
Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:57 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Teele book question
Replies: 38
Views: 759

Re: Teele book question

If someone has no endurance or upper register on a big mouthpiece size (or any size), they're either a different embouchure type that has no business playing that size or they're doing something seriously wrong.
by Doug Elliott
Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:36 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Doug elliot Star
Replies: 16
Views: 516

Re: Doug elliot Star

I never said wider
by Doug Elliott
Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:39 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Teele book question
Replies: 38
Views: 759

Re: Teele book question

Yes it takes a lot of time to develop (and maintain) the elasticity necessary. BUT everybody is different, both in embouchure type and lip texture, both are major factors in what works. Some players don't naturally have the lip tissue elasticity that others do. And it can vary by temperature, humidi...
by Doug Elliott
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:37 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Doug elliot Star
Replies: 16
Views: 516

Re: Doug elliot Star

It's a slightly heavier cup, marked to distinguish it from previous ones. If I changed the design, it has a star - cups from F and deeper. I didn't feel like the shallower cups would benefit so they didn't change. I sometimes make small design changes if it makes an improvement in how my mouthpieces...
by Doug Elliott
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:28 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Teele book question
Replies: 38
Views: 759

Re: Teele book question

3. Stop trying the notes that don't work and spend more time on the ones just above them. 4. The mouthpiece is too small for you. Move to one that does allow those notes without shifting. 5. But keep working on it, eventually you may be able to downsize and then you may be able to play those notes w...
by Doug Elliott
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:22 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Teele book question
Replies: 38
Views: 759

Re: Teele book question

Please check the actual wording in the book.
I don't think it says to go as far as you can and then shift.
I think I remember it says to not shift, period.
But I don't have a copy handy to check.

Did anybody here actually study with him?
by Doug Elliott
Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:04 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Tongue Controlled Embochure
Replies: 44
Views: 945

Re: Tongue Controlled Embochure

Perhaps you can post some videos or recordings of yourself playing that way.
by Doug Elliott
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Aida trombone stand
Replies: 15
Views: 680

Re: Aida trombone stand

I would bet that's not an actual Aida stand.
by Doug Elliott
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:52 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Motivation to practise in a non performing world
Replies: 12
Views: 418

Re: Motivation to practise in a non performing world

Yes, exactly.
Welcome back.
by Doug Elliott
Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:39 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Something like a Schilke51
Replies: 2
Views: 188

Re: Something like a Schilke51

My XT 102, G, G8 would give you close to the same sound but with less air and a lot easier to play.
And yes, I ship to Spain.
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:38 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Forming an embouchure
Replies: 8
Views: 452

Re: Forming an embouchure

Firm the area below the corners. On me that's pretty far back from the canine teeth. But everybody's mouth is different. Most people tend to put the tension too far forward. Except the ones who put it too far back. I like putting it down from where the corners are in resting position - not smiling o...
by Doug Elliott
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:51 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Hard to choose!
Replies: 15
Views: 731

Re: Hard to choose!

Make a list of the playing characteristics of each. NOT the physical characteristics, just all about how they play.
by Doug Elliott
Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:21 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Forming an embouchure
Replies: 8
Views: 452

Re: Forming an embouchure

Absolutely. I follow a very careful setting procedure that keeps me totally consistent. This is what I do and teach: Wet the lips. Form the embouchure as if already playing, with the lips touching. Place the mouthpiece, with playing pressure (or more). Breathe through the corners while keeping theou...
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:33 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Is there anything worse than "Christian Rock?"
Replies: 49
Views: 3588

Re: Is there anything worse than "Christian Rock?"

This is a genre all its own, in case you've never heard it:
https://youtu.be/2c1icWxXrms

"united house of prayer shout bands "

Wycliffe's got nothing on some of these guys you never heard of.
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:53 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bell Rim Design
Replies: 15
Views: 774

Re: Bell Rim Design

I was going to mention that "other" French rim but I can't remember which one of my instruments has it. I always thought that flattened rim was what was called "French."
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:39 pm
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Guess who this young trombone player is...
Replies: 21
Views: 892

Re: Guess who this young trombone player is...

You gave it away with the name of the file. But that was my guess anyway.
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:41 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: How to clean Gold Plated MP
Replies: 13
Views: 833

Re: How to clean Gold Plated MP

I use an ultrasonic. The only possible problem is if there is defective plating like a bubble or blister where it's not adhering, it will make the defect more obvious. But I think it's completely safe otherwise.

If you clean regularly, ultrasonic would be unnecessary.
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:15 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Compress Octaves?
Replies: 30
Views: 1600

Re: Compress Octaves?

I know what works in my designs but I don't get into modifying others.
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:08 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Killer pedal tonex
Replies: 30
Views: 1037

Re: Killer pedal tonex

You're right, I don't know you or your background. I was replying to what you wrote, not who you are. Your original post with the phrases "killer pedal tones" and "aggressive, loud, edgy, sustained pedals" reminded me of entirely too many mostly college age bass trombonists who think the most import...
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:13 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Killer pedal tonex
Replies: 30
Views: 1037

Re: Killer pedal tonex

So many people point to George Roberts as a model. I can't even imagine him ever being "loud, edgy, and in your face." And the same goes for virtually every other great bass trombonist. In my experience it's mostly immature kids who think they need to USE that extra 5%. It's OK to have it, but don't...
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Compress Octaves?
Replies: 30
Views: 1600

Re: Compress Octaves?

Ease with which you can play "anything"... except loud. That's a big compromise.
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:17 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Killer pedal tonex
Replies: 30
Views: 1037

Re: Killer pedal tonex

Make them sound like an extension of the rest of your range, not something completely foreign. I have heard players with "killer pedal tones" and it sounds stupid when it's out of balance with what you sound like above. Burgerbob's advice 5 posts above this, and basbasun's next post, will help get y...
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:07 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Compress Octaves?
Replies: 30
Views: 1600

Re: Compress Octaves?

Given the things you've said, I'm not sure what you like about it except the rim.
And it's probably easy to go to from a small bore.
by Doug Elliott
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:53 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Compress Octaves?
Replies: 30
Views: 1600

Re: Compress Octaves?

What mouthpiece is it?
by Doug Elliott
Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:06 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Middle/Low range
Replies: 9
Views: 656

Re: Middle/Low range

It's impossible to recommend anything with absolutely no knowledge of your playing.
by Doug Elliott
Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:36 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Middle/Low range
Replies: 9
Views: 656

Re: Middle/Low range

I obviously don't know your playing or your embouchure, that was just a guess based on "great high range and sub par low range." I suppose it could also be the opposite, too big for you. Or something you're doing or not doing. Not enough information here.
by Doug Elliott
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:14 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Middle/Low range
Replies: 9
Views: 656

Re: Middle/Low range

The chances are your mouthpiece is too small for you. That limits middle and low range volume, and makes you have to shift for low notes. Does that sound familiar?
What are you using?
by Doug Elliott
Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:06 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: How to polish mpcs to be really shiny?
Replies: 36
Views: 1701

Re: How to polish mpcs to be really shiny?

Wrap the mouthpiece loosely in aluminum foil and put it in a mixture of very hot water and baking soda. The aluminum foil will turn black as the oxidation is transferred through electrolosis off of the silver and onto the aluminum. This works for anything silver. You may have to do it a few times. T...
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:38 pm
Forum: Gigs, Events, Jobs, & Vacancies
Topic: Coronavirus
Replies: 194
Views: 6948

Re: Coronavirus

I have 3 trips to Florida coming up for gigs, and I'm wondering if any of them might get cancelled at the last minute. So far nothing here has been cancelled but I'm not doing that much locally, maybe it's affecting others more.
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:28 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: How to polish mpcs to be really shiny?
Replies: 36
Views: 1701

Re: How to polish mpcs to be really shiny?

Every time you polish it you are removing silver. Especially if you use toothpaste, which is more abrasive than it needs to be for silver polishing purposes. Keep it clean and use a silver polishing cloth if you must. Polishing too many times will eat through to brass and you don't want to do that.
by Doug Elliott
Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:02 pm
Forum: Composition, Arrangement, & Theory
Topic: Name That Tune
Replies: 8
Views: 698

Re: Name That Tune

Somebody probably did pretty well for writing 4 bars.
by Doug Elliott
Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:18 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Fixing loose slide lock
Replies: 14
Views: 782

Re: Fixing loose slide lock

I have some 1 inch hex brass stock, far more than I will ever use. If anybody wants a small piece to work with, let me know.
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:52 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: New DE Sym
Replies: 18
Views: 1607

Re: New DE Sym

I'll trade you a mouthpiece for a horn!
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:43 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Fixing loose slide lock
Replies: 14
Views: 782

Re: Fixing loose slide lock

Wondering how "Bob's your uncle" translates to different languages...

A tiny bit of Locktite (blue) can also be a solution for loose threads.
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:24 am
Forum: Musicians
Topic: All The Way: Bill Watrous/Patrick Williams Big Band
Replies: 10
Views: 1387

Re: All The Way: Bill Watrous/Patrick Williams Big Band

Bill was capable of playing very loud - I heard him demonstrate that at a clinic in response to a question - but he chose to play soft with perfect control because it was more possible to sound the way he wanted and have endurance at the same time.
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:17 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: New DE Sym
Replies: 18
Views: 1607

Re: New DE Sym

Larger diameter threads, so yes.
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:26 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: New DE Sym
Replies: 18
Views: 1607

Re: New DE Sym

They are very similar but not the same. SYM is a hair smaller interface.
by Doug Elliott
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:58 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Interested in learning sackbutt
Replies: 7
Views: 617

Re: Interested in learning sackbutt

Pretend it's an early version of a trombone.
by Doug Elliott
Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:08 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: New DE Sym
Replies: 18
Views: 1607

Re: New DE Sym

More open, bigger sound, more potential volume without getting too bright or out of control. But still easy to play as my stuff always is.
by Doug Elliott
Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:43 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: New DE Sym
Replies: 18
Views: 1607

Re: New DE Sym

Bass blank, bass threads, overall a little bigger.
by Doug Elliott
Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:36 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: New DE Sym
Replies: 18
Views: 1607

Re: New DE Sym

Developed in recent months for Aaron Lavere. He primarily uses a 103, H, H10 I'm using it myself right now (SYM mN104, G, G9), what little I play my .547, but I'm totally comfortable playing gigs on it even with no practice on that horn. The SYM series is intended for the 103 to 106 range of rim siz...
by Doug Elliott
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:23 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: "Plays bigger than it is..." - questions
Replies: 31
Views: 1887

Re: "Plays bigger than it is..." - questions

Lots of things can affect that, making a horn feel bigger or smaller than similar size horns. Different parts of the horn have tapers or other sizes that are choices the designer and manufacturer make. The leadpipe, slide crook size and shape (single radius or dual radius, or assymetrical), neckpipe...
by Doug Elliott
Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:51 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Are most notes legato tongued?
Replies: 3
Views: 393

Re: Are most notes legato tongued?

The safest bet, especially for a new player, is to use a smooth legato D for everything. In time you can discover that some intervals don't need any tongue because of the natural break. But it takes a while to learn what works on the horn and what works best for you. I generally don't tongue for the...
by Doug Elliott
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:44 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Changing the intonation characteristics of partials on a horn
Replies: 12
Views: 798

Re: Changing the intonation characteristics of partials on a horn

If you know other players with Shires horns, see if she can try their tuning slides. And other eadpipes.

Or just get used to it. Anybody who plays different brands and sizes has to learn the adjustments.

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