The only thing better than a new trombone...

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Amconk
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The only thing better than a new trombone...

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...Is a free trombone! I was gifted an old valve trombone from a community member. It had a few broken solder joints and the valves and slides were all frozen, but it was in overall good shape. I fixed the broken joints, and cleaned up the valves, replaced the felts and springs, and cleaned and lubed all the slides. I haven’t played it to a tuner yet, but I have a hunch it’s A439. There’s no marks at all to it, but it’s definitely an oldie. All pieces are stamped “45”. Anybody recognize it? My guess is it’s probably just a stencil, maybe outta the Monkey Wards catalog or something. Fun to play! A small shank mouthpiece barely fits in the receiver. Pics below:
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Looks like that might take an alto horn shank.
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Finetales wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:37 pm Looks like that might take an alto horn shank.
Right?

What key is the horn in?
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Looks like an Eb to me. I have a Conn Eb alto that also takes an alto horn shank. I can make shanks that size for my mouthpieces.
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It is a Bb valve trombone short modell, takes what used to be a small bore mpc, that is smaller the todeays smallbore. Probalby made in Markneukirchen. Amati?
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It’s definitely in Bb, not Eb. I’ve played enough alto to know the difference!
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-Besson Be944 Sovereign with Hagmann
-Holton TR-140 “monster” valve
-Modified Schiller 7B clone
-King 4B with custom bell
-Jin Bao Alto
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A very similar current production horn from India:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TROMBONE-3-VAL ... 3551038089

The short model valve 'bones on the Amati website look like they have standard length bell sections, but earlier production looks to have had a short bell (based on what I see on horn-u-copia.net)
Basbasun wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:44 amProbalby made in Markneukirchen. Amati?
Was Amati ever in Markneukirchen? I thought they were always in Kraslice.
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JohnL wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:38 pm A very similar current production horn from India:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TROMBONE-3-VAL ... 3551038089
Fascinating! It’s very similar...
Michael Conkey
Southern Oregon Trombonist

-Besson Be944 Sovereign with Hagmann
-Holton TR-140 “monster” valve
-Modified Schiller 7B clone
-King 4B with custom bell
-Jin Bao Alto
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JohnL wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:38 pm A very similar current production horn from India:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TROMBONE-3-VAL ... 3551038089

The short model valve 'bones on the Amati website look like they have standard length bell sections, but earlier production looks to have had a short bell (based on what I see on horn-u-copia.net)
Basbasun wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:44 amProbalby made in Markneukirchen. Amati?
Was Amati ever in Markneukirchen? I thought they were always in Kraslice.
You are right John, my wrong. Svenne
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Basbasun wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:19 am
JohnL wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:38 pmWas Amati ever in Markneukirchen? I thought they were always in Kraslice.
You are right John, my wrong. Svenne
They're less than 20 km apart; same region but a different country... :good:
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