Carbon slide for TIS horns

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Carbon slide for TIS horns

Post by Fruitysloth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:58 pm

Has anybody tried to get a carbon slide for a TIS horn? I feel this would be a super useful balance between the people who love the response of a TIS horn, without the slide being as heavy as it is. I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on this!
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Re: Carbon slide for TIS horns

Post by TheBoneRanger » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:20 pm

I think much of the magic of a TIS horn comes from the mass of the slide. Kanstul used to make a TIS slide which was incredibly light, and for mine, that horn never really captured the sound and feel of a great TIS horn. I suspect carbon would be similar...

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Re: Carbon slide for TIS horns

Post by Bassbonechandler » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:36 pm

Honestly I think with how well designed M&W and greenhoe TIS slides are they don't even feel much heavier.
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Re: Carbon slide for TIS horns

Post by hyperbolica » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:26 pm

I've got a Kanstul TIS and found myself wondering about a carbon fiber option as well. Weight is one of the common complaints against TIS slides. I'm not sure that the sound differences caused by mass distribution make it much past the player. I could adjust to the difference in feedback to get the weight and maneuverability benefits.
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Re: Carbon slide for TIS horns

Post by Inspector71 » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

It's really a balancing act and, like anything else, depends on the player. Typically, a light bell/bell section works best with a heavier slide. The reverse is also true. It doesn't really matter, in my opinion, if it is TIS or TIB.
THEN as soon as you say that some big name player come out playing the exact opposite and sounds fantastic.

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Re: Carbon slide for TIS horns

Post by doctortrombone » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:16 am

One challenge would be the TIS mechanism. The inner slide tube dimensions of a Carbon Fiber slide are very precise and smooth because it's wrapped on a mandrel. The outer slide tube dimensions, not so much. You'd need to have an outer surface that is very smooth and consistent so that the tuning mechanism could slide on its external surface.
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Re: Carbon slide for TIS horns

Post by elmsandr » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:13 pm

doctortrombone wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:16 am
One challenge would be the TIS mechanism. The inner slide tube dimensions of a Carbon Fiber slide are very precise and smooth because it's wrapped on a mandrel. The outer slide tube dimensions, not so much. You'd need to have an outer surface that is very smooth and consistent so that the tuning mechanism could slide on its external surface.
Meh. They manage to make inner and outer main tuning slides, and inner tuning slides for attachments. Looks like they have that fitment problem already handled. A TIS mechanism doesn’t need to be any more precise than that.

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