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D slide for single rotor

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:57 am
by bigbandbone
Has anyone ever made a dedicated D slide for their single rotor bass? Not a pull to D, but an actual D slide.
Would this be more of a hinderance than a help? Low B in 4th would be nice but...

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:01 am
by BGuttman
What are you going to do for an Eb below the staff?

There have been E attachments, but it seems that F has more utility.

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:12 am
by JohnL
Yeah, I'd kinda miss Eb. There's been a few experiments with E and Eb attachments, but F remains the standard.

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:19 am
by GabrielRice
There is a player in Boston, primarily a tenor player, who doubles very well on bass trombone with a single valve Bach tuned to flat E. He's got it set up so that low B is in standard 7th position. I think this puts E-flat in standard 2nd or thereabouts.

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:35 pm
by tbonesullivan
I've only seen a D attachment a few times, and it was always on a double valve independent, with F on the first valve. Might have been the same horn that keeps floating around. The attachment literally bends around the main tuning slide to the other side of the horn.

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:17 pm
by Thrawn22
Eb i think is the last practical pitch for a single rotor horn.

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:40 pm
by imsevimse
A Yamaha attachment slide I have fits the F-attachement of a Bach 50 I own. It can not be inserted more than about one centimeter. With that slide the attachmen is tuned to Eb. I have not had any reason to use that combo yet.

/Tom

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:46 pm
by hyperbolica
I had a 70h that I made an Eb slide for. You'd have to be pretty committed to make it work as a replacement for a double valve. All Cs/Fs and Bs/Es are in 6th and 7th respectively. But it weighs so much less and you only have one set of valve positions to keep track of.

But since it's just a slide you can always put the other back in.

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:20 pm
by FullPedalTrombonist
I don’t know if I could find use for a trigger set to not-F in my usual playing. Maybe E. It’d feel like reinventing the wheel. As it is double trigger stuff is rare for me and alternate positions even take out some of that. I used to play an independent bass and I tuned to Bb/F/Eb/C-ish. I think I liked having a G att more though. YMMV

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:31 pm
by JBone
I like having low Bb in T3 too much in too many keys to go all the way to an Eb tuning on a single valve. I could probably live with E tuning, though, and on an independent bass something approximating Bb/E/G/D could be useful. That gives you the choice of that Bb in T2 or t5 (Or Tt5 if you're feeling silly).

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:33 pm
by Burgerbob
Is this a troll post?

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:22 am
by paulyg
I actually have made one.

I was late to the party checking out a bass trombone at school, and got a single-rotor Holton. A piece in the symphony had all three players glissing from pedal Bb to low D.

I went to the hardware store, got some telescoping tubing and solder, and cooked some extensions on my gas stove.

Behold the ragged edge of my hubris.

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:00 am
by brassmedic
paulyg wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:22 am A piece in the symphony had all three players glissing from pedal Bb to low D.
That's just bad writing.

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:30 am
by LeoInFL
I've had the opportunity to use an Edwards Eb tuning slide on my 3047AFR for 2 different choir concerts when the music has called for low B's. It's been a while since I've played around with it, but I'm pretty sure I was able to tune the attachment to D with the tuning slide pulled almost all the way out (the legs are super long).

Re: D slide for single rotor

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:19 am
by paulyg
brassmedic wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:00 am
paulyg wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:22 am A piece in the symphony had all three players glissing from pedal Bb to low D.
That's just bad writing.
Film music... stuff from one of the new Star Trek movies.