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Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:06 pm
by ttf_HowardW
Does anybody out there know who Rimsky-Korsakov wrote his Trombone Concerto for?

Howard

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:17 pm
by ttf_Dombat
I'm currently writing a thesis on this concerto
It was written in 1877 for the Cronstandt Performances with the Russian Navy Band (it was premiered in the same performance as the Oboe concercto)
The soloist in the premier was Warrent Officer Lyenoff
anything else you need I may be able to help. Maybe

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:08 am
by ttf_HowardW
Thanks!
Howard

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:18 am
by ttf_Stan
Hi Howard,

If I recall, just about all the info you need about concerto can be found in RK's My Musical Life.  There's even some tantalizing evidence for WHY RK composed the concerto for trombone of all things.

Stan

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:21 am
by ttf_boneagain
Quote from: Dombat on Apr 02, 2009, 09:17PMI'm currently writing a thesis on this concerto
It was written in 1877 for the Cronstandt Performances with the Russian Navy Band (it was premiered in the same performance as the Oboe concercto)
The soloist in the premier was Warrent Officer Lyenoff
anything else you need I may be able to help. Maybe

Any chance of getting a PDF of your thesis once you've finished?

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:59 pm
by ttf_Dombat
I'll have to check uni policy on publishing etc. but it should be fine. Finishing in about 3 weeks,
working title: The Bb/F trombone in David and Rimsky-Korsakov: A study of the development of the Romantic Trombone

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:27 pm
by ttf_ParLawGod
That sounds very interesting! If allowed, you should post it on the forum here...it would be a great resource!!!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:09 pm
by ttf_anonymous
I too would enjoy reading your thesis. I stumbled upon the Concerto on youtube and instantly fell in love with it. I enjoy most of RK's works, especially Processions of the Nobles. I intend on performing his concerto one day and I would really appreciate it if I could learn everything I can from him and his piece.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:01 am
by ttf_Jeff Smith
I would really like to read the thesis, as well.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:34 pm
by ttf_anonymous
An additional bump to this topic...I'd also be interested in reading if available.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:20 pm
by ttf_Dombat
totally forgot. I'll see what I can do.

there she is

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:16 am
by ttf_anonymous
Sweet! Thanks!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:48 am
by ttf_boneagain
It's at the top of my reading stack now!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:03 pm
by ttf_sabot
Read it and enjoyed it.
Nice work!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:37 pm
by ttf_boneagain
Finished it at lunch today.  I really liked the ideas you collated from your sources, and the hypothesis you developed and supported.  What capped it off was that it was actually READABLE!

Nice job!

And thanks for sharing!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:30 am
by ttf_Jeff Smith
Thanks for sharing.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:51 am
by ttf_bassvocal
Thanks so much for providing this!  I will definitely be holding onto this for future reference as well.

Thank you for sharing this research with us!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:15 pm
by ttf_robcat2075
It looks interesting.  The first page (20) I turned to had this typo...


QuoteThe David concerto has been continuously played by professional players with orchestras and wind bands and has been recorded numerous times by famous trombone performers such as Christian Lindberg and Branimir Slokar exist
I'm presuming that "exist" isn't really part of a three-part name such as "Branimir Slokar Exist"

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Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:43 pm
by ttf_Dombat
yeah, I had to hand it in sometime and didn't proof read it in as much detail as I wanted. There is also a typo in the first paragraph that I can remember seeing as I handed it in.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:41 am
by ttf_boneagain
Quote from: Dombat on Oct 08, 2009, 07:43PMyeah, I had to hand it in sometime and didn't proof read it in as much detail as I wanted. There is also a typo in the first paragraph that I can remember seeing as I handed it in.

Speaking of "handing it in..." I hope your committee liked it as much as I did!
How'd you do?
Are you Dr. Dombat now?

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:24 pm
by ttf_Dombat
that was just for honours. I got 86% for it. Starting a masters some time next year.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:28 pm
by ttf_boneagain
Quote from: Dombat on Oct 09, 2009, 06:24PMthat was just for honours. I got 86% for it. Starting a masters some time next year.

Would "Good on yer, mate" be appropriate?  I rated the paper higher than that, but that's still pretty respectable!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:25 am
by ttf_Dombat
unfortunatly I got beaten by my percussionist girlfriend who got 88 for an approach to performing works for percussion and pre-recorded media.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 6:38 pm
by ttf_anonymous
Rimsky-Korsakov wrote a concert at the request of an heir to the throne of Alexander. Emperor (1881) Alexander
Russian Emperor professionally played the trombone.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 7:24 pm
by ttf_BGuttman
Quote from: Glog on May 21, 2016, 06:38PMRimsky-Korsakov wrote a concert at the request of an heir to the throne of Alexander. Emperor (1881) Alexander
Russian Emperor professionally played the trombone.

I was under the impression that Tsar Alexander III played bassoon.  Tsar Nicholas played oboe.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 9:15 pm
by ttf_Glog
Quote from: BGuttman on May 21, 2016, 07:24PMI was under the impression that Tsar Alexander III played bassoon.

The trombone and efoneiume-Helicon (B) Trombone Alexander III on display in St. Petersburg Museum of Theatre Institute,

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 5:09 am
by ttf_anonymous
Quote from: BGuttman on May 21, 2016, 07:24PMI was under the impression that Tsar Alexander III played bassoon.  Tsar Nicholas played oboe.

Tsar Alexander III played trombone and Helicon, and was the most successful Tsar in Russian history.
His son Nicholas II played the cornet and trumpet and was the most unfortunate Tsar.

Maybe Nicholas needed to play the trombone?

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 1:09 pm
by ttf_BGuttman
Interesting.  Because in the book "Nicholas and Alexandra" they talked about the Tsars playing woodwinds: Alexander on bassoon and Nicholas on oboe.

I guess you guys are closer to the original details.

Nicholas was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  First the Revolution of 1905, then the disastrous Russo-Japanese war, and World War I.  No wonder the Revolution occurred.

I'm interested in the Russo-Japanese war because a band I play in was part of the entertainment for the Treaty of Portsmouth talks in 1906.  We participated in the centenary celebration.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 11:08 pm
by ttf_anonymous
Here's an article in english language. Approximately in the middle they mention Alexander's III trombone playing:  http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=CHP18930303.2.13

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:52 am
by ttf_Trombocholik
Quote from: BGuttman on May 27, 2016, 01:09PM
Nicholas was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  First the Revolution of 1905, then the disastrous Russo-Japanese war, and World War I.  No wonder the Revolution occurred.

I'm interested in the Russo-Japanese war because a band I play in was part of the entertainment for the Treaty of Portsmouth talks in 1906.  We participated in the centenary celebration.

I think that Nicholas II was the wrong man for the Tsar. A weak and foolish Tsar is a disaster for such a huge country as Russia. (IMHO)
A little off topic. Here the beautiful old waltz "On the hills of Manchuria " dedicated to fallen Russian soldiers in the Russo Japanese war.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh4pFYVneX8

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 8:38 am
by ttf_anonymous
Nice.  Is that the Defense Ministry Band?  It's HUGE!!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:24 am
by ttf_Trombocholik
 Yes,  it's Defence Ministery Band.
Famous Victor Batashov recorded the Rimsky Korsakov Concerto with him in 1960' years.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 10:18 am
by ttf_BGuttman
I have the recording with Batashov and the DMB.  Also has the Clarinet Concerto by Rimsky-Korsakov (don't remember the soloist).

According to the liner notes, Rimsky did not write it for the Tsar, although the Tsar may have played it.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 10:26 am
by ttf_robcat2075
Aside from Prussia's Frederick the Great, I can't think of any case of any European royalty playing a musical instrument in front of an audience, public or otherwise.

Are there known occurrences?

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 10:39 am
by ttf_BGuttman
According to the book "Nicholas and Alexandra", neither did the Tsars.  They did mostly private performances.

Then again, if you went to a performance by a Tsar and didn't cheer your head off, they could take your head off Image

Henry VIII of England was an accomplished musician and did some performances for his extended court.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 10:58 am
by ttf_anonymous
Quote from: robcat2075 on May 28, 2016, 10:26AMAside from Prussia's Frederick the Great, I can't think of any case of any European royalty playing a musical instrument in front of an audience, public or otherwise.

Are there known occurrences?

The King of Sweden, Carl XVI Gustaf, playing the trombone at a horse race course (!) in 1983:

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Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 11:02 am
by ttf_BGuttman
Left handed? Image Image

Incidentally, on the American side:

Bill Clinton played saxophone on TV (I think it was Saturday Night Live)
Harry Truman accompanied his daughter Margaret in a public concert at the White House.

I'm not sure if any other Presidents were accomplished musicians.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 1:02 pm
by ttf_BillO
Quote from: Trombocholik on May 24, 2016, 05:09AMMaybe Nicholas needed to play the trombone?

More authority for sure!

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 1:22 pm
by ttf_robcat2075
Quote from: BGuttman on May 28, 2016, 11:02AM
I'm not sure if any other Presidents were accomplished musicians.

Perhaps not accomplished, but capable...

https://www.youtube.com/v/MCsGSMze_6Q


skip to about 1:50
https://www.youtube.com/v/W2aTHAh4T-0

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:29 am
by ttf_anonymous
Playing this Concerto in the spring!  Very interesting thesis, thank you very much for providing it

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:46 am
by ttf_bubbachet
Quote from: BGuttman on May 28, 2016, 11:02AM
Bill Clinton played saxophone on TV (I think it was Saturday Night Live)


I believe it was the Arsenio Hall show.

Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:29 am
by ttf_robcat2075
Regarding other royal musicians...

I have since found out that Russian Czar Alexander III is alleged to have been a brass player in his early life.

"Czar Alexandre III, a great fan of brasses, was a patron of music. Not content to found the Imperial Court Orchestra (the future Leningrad Philharmonic; today the St Petersburg Philharmonic), he also played several wind instruments himself: cornet, horn and tuba,"

Alexander third from left in back row...

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Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:29 am
by ttf_robcat2075
Regarding other royal musicians...

I have since found out that Russian Czar Alexander III is alleged to have been a brass player in his early life.

"Czar Alexandre III, a great fan of brasses, was a patron of music. Not content to found the Imperial Court Orchestra (the future Leningrad Philharmonic; today the St Petersburg Philharmonic), he also played several wind instruments himself: cornet, horn and tuba,"

Alexander third from left in back row...

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