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Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:07 am**

I remember a topic on the old tromboneforum named "outer slide weigh in" where owners posted the weight of their trombone slides. I liked that very much. Maybe we can start a new list? Or is there a place where the old topics are listed?

- Yamaha YSL 683G 200 gr (sorry, we use Gramm and Kilogramm) yellow brass
- Conn 78H 254 gr yellow brass
- Besson 630 ( ex Boosey and Hawkes, maybe built by Kühnl and Hoyer in Germany) 200 gr yellow brass

The Yammie fits on the Conn and vice versa, same with the Yamaha 645..

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:14 pm**

I'll bite.

Yamaha 421G (bass) 220 gm

Courtois AC280BO (nickel) 290 gm

Olds Ambassador 190 gm

Never noticed my Yamaha's slide was so much lighter but I did notice the whole horn was lighter than my 0.547 tenor. Must be the bigger bore allowing in more lightweight air--I'm not serious.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:16 pm**

BTW, my slides are not interchangeable (0.485 / 0.500; 0.547; and 0.563) But the bells of the Yamaha and the Courtios are happy with either slide between them.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:37 pm**

Bach A47: 269
Bach 42: 272
King 3B: 207
Shires B62/78: 278
Edwards V: 285
Conn 112H: 234
Voight F contra: 308
Miraphone BBb contra: 593!

I have always preferred the Shires dual bore slide to my Edwards V (the single bore slide that comes with the B502) because it felt so much lighter. Those few grams make a big difference.

Also surprising is the F contra slide, which is only 20 grams heavier than a bass slide despite being longer and wider.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:40 pm**

Couldn't find that thread with the search function. I still have the file where I sorted the outer slides by weight, but when I try to paste it in as a reply, the format becomes unrecognizable. If you're really interested in that old listing I could try to upload it somehow.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:01 pm**

The Wayback Machine is your friend. Most of the time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140709100 ... 42.60.html

Oslide wrote: Just for fun I compiled the data provided in a listing and added some of my own.
The formatting will go awry somehow, but hopefully it will still be clear enough.

Weight (g) Model Remarks Reporter
94 P-Bone JohnL
161.5 Doubleslyde all carbon fiber doubleslyde
165 K&H Slokar Alto sanfranboner
168 K&H BVL .512 LW all-nickel BiggieSmalls
170 Olds Featherweight Euphanasia
170 Olds Super Featherweight LA, pre-WWII JohnL
176 Schiller (Jinbao) Alto nickel silver dezignstuff
185 Bach 16MLT speaking from memory baileyman
185 Bach 9LT speaking from memory baileyman
185 King 2B Jiggs growlerbox
185 Minick 12 speaking from memory baileyman
187 Rath R2 Richard H
188.6 Bach LT12 dj kennedy
192 King 3B (1965) Richard H
192 Olds P-16 JohnL
195 Leuchter Tenor Sackbut w/ optional Kruspe water key MaestroHound
196 Yamaha 897Z TromboneMonkey
196.8 Courtois Xtreme dj kennedy
198 Bach 12 (1977) Oslide
199 Yamaha 681 wide nickel slide greenbean
200 Conn 14H robcat2075
200 Conn 24HLW (1964) BiggieSmalls
200 Williams Burbank 6 dj kennedy
204 Earl Strickler JohnL
204 Holton Stratodyne Oslide
204.1 Doubleslyde carbon fiber w/ brass crook doubleslyde
205 Bachs (small) speaking from memory, 205-210g baileyman
205 K&K 122 Alto sanfranboner
208 Olds P-15 JohnL
210.5 King 3B custom for splash bell dj kennedy
213 Olds Ambassador (1957) greenbean
213 Yamaha 350C greenbean
214 Conn 6H LW (1965) Oslide
214 King 2B (1960's) RichEKelly
214 King Tempo curvy Tempo greenbean
215 Conn 48H (Elkhart) lightweight slide dezignstuff
215 King 2B (early 1950's) Exzaclee
218 Conn Director 18H nickel slide ConnBone19
218 King Symphony (1485) JohnL
220 King 3B+ current model growlerbox
220 Yamaha 354 greenbean
221 Benge Symphonic 175 Vintage88H
221 Martin Committee (1950's) brass tubes RichEKelly
222.3 Selmer K mod dj kennedy
223 Williams Donelson 4 TromboneMonkey
224 King 3B dj kennedy
225 King 2B+ custom build dj kennedy
226 Olds Super (LA, pre-WWII) JohnL
227 King 3B dj kennedy
227 Martin Urbie Green w/ rubber protector Oslide
227.8 King 3B dj kennedy
228 Conn 4H (1928) Oslide
228 Olds Studio (1955) greenbean
230 Yamaha 446G greenbean
235 King 2B+ Custom made by Eric w/ Edwards lower tube RichEKelly
236 Bach Mercury (1941) Oslide
236 Yamaha 445 greenbean
238 Conn 6H (1959) BiggieSmalls
238 Conn Director 18H (1962) yellow brass slide ConnBone18
239 Martin Committee Oslide
240 Bach 42 brass dj kennedy
240 Olds Recording (1966) JohnL
241 Yamaha 648 greenbean
243 Yamaha 645 greenbean
244 Olds P-24G JohnL
245 Holton TR181 robcat2075
246 Conn 24H (1938) BiggieSmalls
246 Conn 32H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
246 Olds S-24G non-original slide lock lug w/patches JohnL
247 Conn 6H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
249 Bach 36 (1970s) TromboneMonkey
249 Shires B62 sanfranboner
250 Conn 30H MaestroHound
250 King Symphony brace not original, .546 straight bore MaestroHound
250 Yamaha YSL-682G MaestroHound
254 Bach 36 (1960's Elkhart) sanfranboner
255 King 608F MaestroHound
258 Benge Symphonic 190 Vintage88H
258 Conn 88H (late Elkhart) sanfranboner
259 Conn 79H (Elkhart) silver plate dezignstuff
261 Conn 8H/88H (new) greenbean
261 Doubleslyde Kanstul LW brass Doubleslyde doubleslyde
261.5 Voight [500] wide nickle w/ sleeves dj kennedy
263 Conn 88H "C" (1963) BiggieSmalls
264 Conn 2H (1930) fat oversleeves and crook guard Oslide
265 Conn 78H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
265 Conn 88H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
266 Shires TW47 sanfranboner
267 Conn 18H Tait (1925) TIS Oslide
269 Bach 42 (1980's) sanfranboner
269 Jupiter XO 1032 (2012) greenbean
271 Conn 88H "N" (1970) BiggieSmalls
271 Conn 88H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
271 Conn 8HT (525/547) Gen II dezignstuff
272 Conn 88H (early 1970's) greenbean
274 Holton 168 Vintage88H
275 Bach 42 stock dj kennedy
275 Conn 88H (late 1970's) greenbean
276 Conn 8H (late 1960's) greenbean
278 Olds Standard M (1922) TIS Oslide
280 Conn 8H (1949) BiggieSmalls
285 Kanstul 1662i bass TIS MaestroHound
286 Holton TR150 Vintage88H
291 Reynolds Contempora Bass 291 or 260g, depending on the scale donn
300 Kanstul 1662 (TIS) cyclelife
316 Olds Standard Bb-F-E JohnL
328 Olds S-20 (1969) JohnL

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:11 pm**

Wait, two more from that TTF thread:

Conn 70h, 360
Edwards B-DB, 303

Nice work, JohnL. And thanks to Oslide for compiling all the weights on the thread!

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:38 pm**

Here is Oslide's compendium is a neater table format.

Weight (g)	Model	Remarks	Reporter
94	P-Bone		JohnL
161.5	Doubleslyde	all carbon fiber	doubleslyde
165	K and H Slokar Alto		sanfranboner
168	KH BVL .512 LW	all-nickel	BiggieSmalls
170	Olds Featherweight		Euphanasia
170	Olds Super Featherweight	LA, pre-WWII	JohnL
176	Schiller (Jinbao) Alto	nickel silver	dezignstuff
185	Bach 16MLT	speaking from memory	baileyman
185	Bach 9LT	speaking from memory	baileyman
185	King 2B Jiggs		growlerbox
185	Minick 12	speaking from memory	baileyman
187	Rath R2		Richard H
188.6	Bach LT12		dj kennedy
190	Olds Ambassador		walldaja
192	King 3B (1965)		Richard H
192	Olds P-16		JohnL
195	Leuchter Tenor Sackbut	w/ optional Kruspe water key	MaestroHound
196	Yamaha 897Z		TromboneMonkey
196.8	Courtois Xtreme		dj kennedy
198	Bach 12 (1977)		Oslide
199	Yamaha 681	wide nickel slide	greenbean
200	Yamaha YSL683G	yellow brass	Andre1966tr
200	Besson 630	yellow brass, maybe built by K and H	Andre1966tr
200	Conn 14H		robcat2075
200	Conn 24HLW (1964)		BiggieSmalls
200	Williams Burbank 6		dj kennedy
204	Earl Strickler		JohnL
204	Holton Stratodyne		Oslide
204.1	Doubleslyde	carbon fiber w/ brass crook	doubleslyde
205	Bachs (small)	speaking from memory, 205-210g	baileyman
205	K and H 122 Alto		sanfranboner
207	King 3B		burgerbob
208	Olds P-15		JohnL
210.5	King 3B	custom for splash bell	dj kennedy
213	Olds Ambassador (1957)		greenbean
213	Yamaha 350C		greenbean
214	Conn 6H LW (1965)		Oslide
214	King 2B (1960's)		RichEKelly
214	King Tempo	curvy Tempo	greenbean
215	Conn 48H (Elkhart)	lightweight slide	dezignstuff
215	King 2B (early 1950's)		Exzaclee
218	Conn Director 18H	nickel slide	ConnBone19
218	King Symphony (1485)		JohnL
220	King 3B+	current model	growlerbox
220	Yamaha 421G	walldaja
220	Yamaha 354		greenbean
221	Benge Symphonic 175		Vintage88H
221	Martin Committee (1950's)	brass tubes	RichEKelly
222.3	Selmer K mod		dj kennedy
223	Williams Donelson 4		TromboneMonkey
224	King 3B		dj kennedy
225	King 2B+	custom build	dj kennedy
226	Olds Super (LA, pre-WWII)		JohnL
227	King 3B		dj kennedy
227	Martin Urbie Green	w/ rubber protector	Oslide
227.8	King 3B		dj kennedy
228	Conn 4H (1928)		Oslide
228	Olds Studio (1955)		greenbean
230	Yamaha 446G		greenbean
234	Conn 112H		burgerbob
235	King 2B+ Custom	made by Eric w/ Edwards lower tube	RichEKelly
236	Bach Mercury (1941)		Oslide
236	Yamaha 445		greenbean
238	Conn 6H (1959)		BiggieSmalls
238	Conn Director 18H (1962)	yellow brass slide	ConnBone18
239	Martin Committee		Oslide
240	Bach 42b	brass	dj kennedy
240	Olds Recording (1966)		JohnL
241	Yamaha 648		greenbean
243	Yamaha 645		greenbean
244	Olds P-24G		JohnL
245	Holton TR181		robcat2075
246	Conn 24H (1938)		BiggieSmalls
246	Conn 32H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
246	Olds S-24G	non-original slide lock lug w/patches	JohnL
247	Conn 6H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
249	Bach 36 (1970s)		TromboneMonkey
249	Shires B62		sanfranboner
250	Conn 30H		MaestroHound
250	King Symphony	brace not original, .546 straight bore	MaestroHound
250	Yamaha YSL-682G		MaestroHound
254	Conn 78H	yellow brass	Andre1966tr
254	Bach 36 (1960's Elkhart)		sanfranboner
255	King 608F		MaestroHound
258	Benge Symphonic 190		Vintage88H
258	Conn 88H (late Elkhart)		sanfranboner
259	Conn 79H (Elkhart)	silver plate	dezignstuff
261	Conn 8H/88H (new)		greenbean
261	Doubleslyde	Kanstul LW brass Doubleslyde	doubleslyde
261.5	Voight [500]	wide nickle w/ sleeves	dj kennedy
263	Conn 88H "C" (1963)		BiggieSmalls
264	Conn 2H (1930)	fat oversleeves and crook guard	Oslide
265	Conn 78H (1965) Elkhart		Vintage88H
265	Conn 88H (1965) Elkhart		Vintage88H
266	Shires TW47		sanfranboner
267	Conn 18H Tait (1925) TIS		Oslide
269	Bach 42 (1980's)		sanfranboner
269	Jupiter XO 1032 (2012)		greenbean
269	Bach A47		burgerbob
271	Conn 88H "N" (1970)		BiggieSmalls
271	Conn 88H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
271	Conn 8HT (525/547) Gen II		dezignstuff
272	Conn 88H (early 1970's)		greenbean
272	Bach 42		burgerbob
274	Holton 168		Vintage88H
275	Bach 42	stock	dj kennedy
275	Conn 88H (late 1970's)		greenbean
276	Conn 8H (late 1960's)		greenbean
278	Shires B62/78		burgerbob
278	Olds Standard M (1922) TIS		Oslide
280	Conn 8H (1949)		BiggieSmalls
285	Kanstul 1662i bass TIS		MaestroHound
285	Edwards V		burgerbob
286	Holton TR150		Vintage88H
290	Courtois AC280BO	nickel	walldaja
291	Reynolds Contempora Bass	291 or 260g, depending on the scale	donn
300	Kanstul 1662 (TIS)		cyclelife
303	Edwards B-DB
308	Voight F Contra		burgerbob
316	Olds Standard Bb-F-E		JohnL
328	Olds S-20 (1969)		JohnL
360	Conn 70H
593	Miraphone BBb Contra		burgerbob

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:13 am**

Thank you, JohnL !

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:58 am**

This seems like a great entry for the Trombone Chat Wiki.

Don't know if anyone else is having trouble, but I can't see to login to the wiki portion of the site.

(I've emailed Matt about the problem I'm having.)

--Andy in OKC

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:19 am**

Great!! Thank you all...

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:26 am**

I would have never noticed how heavy my slide was except for this information. Thanks for the great work!

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:38 am**

afugate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:58 am This seems like a great entry for the Trombone Chat Wiki.

In a perfect world, it would be in a nice, sortable table.

Given that this is gathered from many sources, there's bound to be some bad data. There's also some models (Conn 70H!) that were produced in several different configurations and it'd be nice to know which version was weighed.

Posted: **Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:27 am**

Bach 6 (‘33 NY std. brass) 233
Bach 6 (‘36 NY std. brass, mod .485-.509) 249
Bach 12 (‘70s Corp, std. brass) 231
Bach 36 (‘40 NY, std. brass) 277
Conn 6H (‘66 std. brass, Elkhart) 251
Conn 6H (‘60s std. brass, Elkhart) 233
Conn 70H (‘52 std. brass TIS) 360
King Liberty ( ‘39, std. brass, mod .481-.500) 231
King 2b+, 2115 (‘84 lw gold brass) 225
King 2b+ (~2005, lw yellow brass) 213
Rath R10 (lw nickel) 173
Schmelzer 1 (std. nickel) 237

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:02 pm**

84 grams for the .500 Butler Carbon Fiber outer for my 2B+.

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:38 am**

Updated

Weight (g)	Model	Remarks	Reporter
84	Butler Carbon Fiber (for 2B+)		RichEKelly
94	P-Bone		JohnL
161.5	Doubleslyde	all carbon fiber	doubleslyde
165	K and H Slokar Alto		sanfranboner
168	KH BVL .512 LW	all-nickel	BiggieSmalls
170	Olds Featherweight		Euphanasia
170	Olds Super Featherweight	LA, pre-WWII	JohnL
173	Rath R10	lw nickel	cctbone
176	Schiller (Jinbao) Alto	nickel silver	dezignstuff
185	Bach 16MLT	speaking from memory	baileyman
185	Bach 9LT	speaking from memory	baileyman
185	King 2B Jiggs		growlerbox
185	Minick 12	speaking from memory	baileyman
187	Rath R2		Richard H
188.6	Bach LT12		dj kennedy
190	Olds Ambassador		walldaja
192	King 3B (1965)		Richard H
192	Olds P-16		JohnL
195	Leuchter Tenor Sackbut	w/ optional Kruspe water key	MaestroHound
196	Yamaha 897Z		TromboneMonkey
196.8	Courtois Xtreme		dj kennedy
198	Bach 12 (1977)		Oslide
199	Yamaha 681	wide nickel slide	greenbean
200	Yamaha YSL683G	yellow brass	Andre1966tr
200	Besson 630	yellow brass, maybe built by K and H	Andre1966tr
200	Conn 14H		robcat2075
200	Conn 24HLW (1964)		BiggieSmalls
200	Williams Burbank 6		dj kennedy
204	Earl Strickler		JohnL
204	Holton Stratodyne		Oslide
204.1	Doubleslyde	carbon fiber w/ brass crook	doubleslyde
205	Bachs (small)	speaking from memory, 205-210g	baileyman
205	KK 122 Alto		sanfranboner
207	King 3B		burgerbob
208	Olds P-15		JohnL
210.5	King 3B	custom for splash bell	dj kennedy
213	Olds Ambassador (1957)		greenbean
213	Yamaha 350C		greenbean
213	King 2B+	~2005, lw yellow brass	cctbone
214	Conn 6H LW (1965)		Oslide
214	King 2B (1960's)		RichEKelly
214	King Tempo	curvy Tempo	greenbean
215	Conn 48H (Elkhart)	lightweight slide	dezignstuff
215	King 2B (early 1950's)		Exzaclee
218	Conn Director 18H	nickel slide	ConnBone19
218	King Symphony (1485)		JohnL
220	King 3B+	current model	growlerbox
220	Yamaha 421G	walldaja
220	Yamaha 354		greenbean
221	Benge Symphonic 175		Vintage88H
221	Martin Committee (1950's)	brass tubes	RichEKelly
222.3	Selmer K mod		dj kennedy
223	Williams Donelson 4		TromboneMonkey
224	King 3B		dj kennedy
225	King 2B+	custom build	dj kennedy
225	King 2B+/2115	‘84 lw gold brass
226	Olds Super (LA, pre-WWII)		JohnL
227	King 3B		dj kennedy
227	Martin Urbie Green	w/ rubber protector	Oslide
227.8	King 3B		dj kennedy
228	Conn 4H (1928)		Oslide
228	Olds Studio (1955)		greenbean
230	Yamaha 446G		greenbean
231	Bach 12	‘70s Corp, std. brass	cctbone
231	King Liberty	‘39, std. brass, mod .481-.500	cctbone
233	Bach 6	‘33 NY std. brass	cctbone
233	Conn 6H	‘60s std. brass, Elkhart	cctbone
234	Conn 112H		burgerbob
235	King 2B+ Custom	made by Eric w/ Edwards lower tube	RichEKelly
236	Bach Mercury (1941)		Oslide
236	Yamaha 445		greenbean
237	Schmelzer 1	std. nickel	cctbone
238	Conn 6H (1959)		BiggieSmalls
238	Conn Director 18H (1962)	yellow brass slide	ConnBone18
239	Martin Committee		Oslide
240	Bach 42b	brass	dj kennedy
240	Olds Recording (1966)		JohnL
241	Yamaha 648		greenbean
243	Yamaha 645		greenbean
244	Olds P-24G		JohnL
245	Holton TR181		robcat2075
246	Conn 24H (1938)		BiggieSmalls
246	Conn 32H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
246	Olds S-24G	non-original slide lock lug w/patches	JohnL
247	Conn 6H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
249	Bach 36 (1970s)		TromboneMonkey
249	Shires B62		sanfranboner
249	Bach 6	‘36 NY std. brass, mod .485-.509	cctbone
250	Conn 30H		MaestroHound
250	King Symphony	brace not original, .546 straight bore	MaestroHound
250	Yamaha YSL-682G		MaestroHound
251	Conn 6H	‘66 std. brass, Elkhart	cctbone
254	Conn 78H	yellow brass	Andre1966tr
254	Bach 36 (1960's Elkhart)		sanfranboner
255	King 608F		MaestroHound
258	Benge Symphonic 190		Vintage88H
258	Conn 88H (late Elkhart)		sanfranboner
259	Conn 79H (Elkhart)	silver plate	dezignstuff
261	Conn 8H/88H (new)		greenbean
261	Doubleslyde	Kanstul LW brass Doubleslyde	doubleslyde
261.5	Voight (500)	wide nickle w/ sleeves	dj kennedy
263	Conn 88H "C" (1963)		BiggieSmalls
264	Conn 2H (1930)	fat oversleeves and crook guard	Oslide
265	Conn 78H (1965) Elkhart		Vintage88H
265	Conn 88H (1965) Elkhart		Vintage88H
266	Shires TW47		sanfranboner
267	Conn 18H Tait (1925) TIS		Oslide
269	Bach 42 (1980's)		sanfranboner
269	Jupiter XO 1032 (2012)		greenbean
269	Bach A47		burgerbob
271	Conn 88H "N" (1970)		BiggieSmalls
271	Conn 88H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
271	Conn 8HT (525/547) Gen II		dezignstuff
272	Conn 88H (early 1970's)		greenbean
272	Bach 42		burgerbob
274	Holton 168		Vintage88H
275	Bach 42	stock	dj kennedy
275	Conn 88H (late 1970's)		greenbean
276	Conn 8H (late 1960's)		greenbean
277	Bach 36	‘40 NY, std. brass	cctbone
278	Shires B62/78		burgerbob
278	Olds Standard M (1922) TIS		Oslide
280	Conn 8H (1949)		BiggieSmalls
285	Kanstul 1662i bass TIS		MaestroHound
285	Edwards V		burgerbob
286	Holton TR150		Vintage88H
290	Courtois AC280BO	nickel	walldaja
291	Reynolds Contempora Bass	291 or 260g, depending on the scale	donn
300	Kanstul 1662 (TIS)		cyclelife
303	Edwards B-DB		bigbassbone1
308	Voight F Contra		burgerbob
316	Olds Standard Bb-F-E		JohnL
328	Olds S-20 (1969)		JohnL
360	Conn 70H		bigbassbone1
360	Conn 70H	‘52 std. brass TIS	cctbone
593	Miraphone BBb Contra		burgerbob

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:45 am**

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:59 am**

So obviously my kitchen weight scale is way off (which would account for some baking disasters);
my M&W gold brass slide weighed 636 grams...

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:07 pm**

Chatname wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:59 am So obviously my kitchen weight scale is way off (which would account for some baking disasters);
my M&W gold brass slide weighed 636 grams...

Just the outer slide?

You should check your scale with a known weight...

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:17 pm**

197 grams King Tempo 606 (1987)
243 grams King 4B (1972)
328 grams Holton Tr180 (70s) - not original inners and outers.

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:03 pm**

Aha, outer slide only! Then the numbers make more sense! My M&W slide is at work now but I have a Shires TW2547LW at home, weighs in at 232 grams.

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:19 pm**

Chatname wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:03 pm Aha, outer slide only! Then the numbers make more sense!

Would one of the mods be so kind as to change the name of this thread to include "outer"?

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:42 pm**

Done.

Posted: **Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:48 am**

Butler CF slide - 0.00 (almost)

Posted: **Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:49 am**

M&W wide yellow brass slide 287grams

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:20 am**

Shires regular weight .525 - 260G

Shires regular weight .508 - 234G

Lawler all brass .500 - 187G

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:24 pm**

Thank you John for your great and interesting chart of the slide weights. I printed it out to keep!!

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:37 pm**

Bach 50 with nickel crook: 276

Edwards TBCN: 279

Posted: **Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:03 am**

1921 Conn 78H : 269grams... Surprised at this.. Long, heavy sleeves and red brass... Would have thought it weighed more..

Posted: **Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:25 pm**

Courtois AC130 Alto: 162
Conn 4H LW (1949): 187
Conn 4H (1955): 236
Conn 30H (1933): 252
Olds Super (1937): 238
Olds Standard (1946): 222
Olds Super (1947): 208
Olds Recording (1950, red brass): 249
Old Recording (1955, nickel silver): 255
Olds P-22 GR Model (1977): 266

Posted: **Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:53 pm**

[tbody] [/tbody]

Weight (g)	Model	Remarks	Reporter
84	Butler Carbon Fiber (for 2B+)		RichEKelly
94	P-Bone		JohnL
161.5	Doubleslyde	all carbon fiber	doubleslyde
162	Courtois AC130 Alto		FEWeathers
165	K and H Slokar Alto		sanfranboner
168	KH BVL .512 LW	all-nickel	BiggieSmalls
170	Olds Featherweight		Euphanasia
170	Olds Super Featherweight	LA, pre-WWII	JohnL
173	Rath R10	lw nickel	cctbone
176	Schiller (Jinbao) Alto	nickel silver	dezignstuff
185	Bach 16MLT	speaking from memory	baileyman
185	Bach 9LT	speaking from memory	baileyman
185	King 2B Jiggs		growlerbox
185	Minick 12	speaking from memory	baileyman
187	Rath R2		Richard H
187	Conn 4H LW	1949	FEWeathers
187	Lawler .500"	all brass	MalecHeermans
188.6	Bach LT12		dj kennedy
190	Olds Ambassador		walldaja
192	King 3B (1965)		Richard H
192	Olds P-16		JohnL
195	Leuchter Tenor Sackbut	w/ optional Kruspe water key	MaestroHound
196	Yamaha 897Z		TromboneMonkey
196.8	Courtois Xtreme		dj kennedy
197	King Tempo 606		Kingfan
198	Bach 12 (1977)		Oslide
199	Yamaha 681	wide nickel slide	greenbean
200	Yamaha YSL683G	yellow brass	Andre1966tr
200	Besson 630	yellow brass, maybe built by K and H	Andre1966tr
200	Conn 14H		robcat2075
200	Conn 24HLW (1964)		BiggieSmalls
200	Williams Burbank 6		dj kennedy
204	Earl Strickler		JohnL
204	Holton Stratodyne		Oslide
204.1	Doubleslyde	carbon fiber w/ brass crook	doubleslyde
205	Bachs (small)	speaking from memory, 205-210g	baileyman
205	KK 122 Alto		sanfranboner
207	King 3B		Burgerbob
208	Olds P-15		JohnL
208	Olds Super	1947	FEWeathers
210.5	King 3B	custom for splash bell	dj kennedy
213	Olds Ambassador (1957)		greenbean
213	Yamaha 350C		greenbean
213	King 2B+	~2005, lw yellow brass	cctbone
214	Conn 6H LW (1965)		Oslide
214	King 2B (1960's)		RichEKelly
214	King Tempo	curvy Tempo	greenbean
215	Conn 48H (Elkhart)	lightweight slide	dezignstuff
215	King 2B (early 1950's)		Exzaclee
218	Conn Director 18H	nickel slide	ConnBone19
218	King Symphony (1485)		JohnL
220	King 3B+	current model	growlerbox
220	Yamaha 421G		walladja
220	Yamaha 354		greenbean
221	Benge Symphonic 175		Vintage88H
221	Martin Committee (1950's)	brass tubes	RichEKelly
222	Olds Standard	1946	FEWeathers
222.3	Selmer K mod		dj kennedy
223	Williams Donelson 4		TromboneMonkey
224	King 3B		dj kennedy
225	King 2B+	custom build	dj kennedy
225	King 2B+/2115	‘84 lw gold brass
226	Olds Super (LA, pre-WWII)		JohnL
227	King 3B		dj kennedy
227	Martin Urbie Green	w/ rubber protector	Oslide
227.8	King 3B		dj kennedy
228	Conn 4H (1928)		Oslide
228	Olds Studio (1955)		greenbean
230	Yamaha 446G		greenbean
231	Bach 12	‘70s Corp, std. brass	cctbone
231	King Liberty	‘39, std. brass, mod .481-.500	cctbone
232	Shires TW2547LW		Chatname
233	Bach 6	‘33 NY std. brass	cctbone
233	Conn 6H	‘60s std. brass, Elkhart	cctbone
234	Conn 112H		Burgerbob
234	Shires .508		MalecHeermans
235	King 2B+ Custom	made by Eric w/ Edwards lower tube	RichEKelly
236	Bach Mercury (1941)		Oslide
236	Conn 4H	1955	FEWeathers
236	Yamaha 445		greenbean
237	Schmelzer 1	std. nickel	cctbone
238	Conn 6H (1959)		BiggieSmalls
238	Olds Super	1937	FEWeathers
238	Conn Director 18H (1962)	yellow brass slide	ConnBone18
239	Martin Committee		Oslide
240	Bach 42b	brass	dj kennedy
240	Olds Recording (1966)		JohnL
241	Yamaha 648		greenbean
243	Yamaha 645		greenbean
243	King 4B	1972	Kingfan
244	Olds P-24G		JohnL
245	Holton TR181		robcat2075
246	Conn 24H (1938)		BiggieSmalls
246	Conn 32H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
246	Olds S-24G	non-original slide lock lug w/patches	JohnL
247	Conn 6H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
249	Bach 36 (1970s)		TromboneMonkey
249	Shires B62		sanfranboner
249	Bach 6	‘36 NY std. brass, mod .485-.509	cctbone
249	Olds Recording	1950, red brass outers	FEWeathers
250	Conn 30H		MaestroHound
250	King Symphony	brace not original, .546 straight bore	MaestroHound
250	Yamaha YSL-682G		MaestroHound
251	Conn 6H	‘66 std. brass, Elkhart	cctbone
252	Conn 30H	1933	FEWeathers
254	Conn 78H	yellow brass	Andre1966tr
254	Bach 36 (1960's Elkhart)		sanfranboner
255	King 608F		MaestroHound
255	Olds Recording	1955; nickel silver outers	FEWeathers
258	Benge Symphonic 190		Vintage88H
258	Conn 88H (late Elkhart)		sanfranboner
259	Conn 79H (Elkhart)	silver plate	dezignstuff
260	Shires .525"	regular weight	MalecHeermans
261	Conn 8H/88H (new)		greenbean
261	Doubleslyde	Kanstul LW brass Doubleslyde	doubleslyde
261.5	Voight (500)	wide nickle w/ sleeves	dj kennedy
263	Conn 88H "C" (1963)		BiggieSmalls
264	Conn 2H (1930)	fat oversleeves and crook guard	Oslide
265	Conn 78H (1965) Elkhart		Vintage88H
265	Conn 88H (1965) Elkhart		Vintage88H
266	Shires TW47		sanfranboner
266	Olds P-22 George Roberts	1977	FEWeathers
267	Conn 18H Tait (1925) TIS		Oslide
269	Bach 42	1980's	sanfranboner
269	Conn 78H	Long, heavy sleeves and red brass	Tbarh
269	Jupiter XO 1032 (2012)		greenbean
269	Bach A47		Burgerbob
271	Conn 88H "N" (1970)		BiggieSmalls
271	Conn 88H (Elkhart)		dezignstuff
271	Conn 8HT (525/547) Gen II		dezignstuff
272	Conn 88H (early 1970's)		greenbean
272	Bach 42		Burgerbob
274	Holton 168		Vintage88H
275	Bach 42	stock	dj kennedy
275	Conn 88H (late 1970's)		greenbean
276	Conn 8H (late 1960's)		greenbean
276	Bach 50	nickel silver crook	Burgerbob
277	Bach 36	‘40 NY, std. brass	cctbone
278	Shires B62/78		Burgerbob
278	Olds Standard M (1922) TIS		Oslide
279	Edwards TBCN		Burgerbob
280	Conn 8H (1949)		BiggieSmalls
285	Kanstul 1662i bass TIS		MaestroHound
285	Edwards V		Burgerbob
286	Holton TR150		Vintage88H
287	M&W	wide yellow brass slide	Chatname
290	Courtois AC280BO	nickel	walldaja
291	Reynolds Contempora Bass	291 or 260g, depending on the scale	donn
300	Kanstul 1662 (TIS)		cyclelife
303	Edwards B-DB		bigbassbone1
308	Voight F Contra		Burgerbob
316	Olds Standard Bb-F-E		JohnL
328	Olds S-20 (1969)		JohnL
328	Holton TR180	Replacement tubes	Kingfan
360	Conn 70H		bigbassbone1
360	Conn 70H	‘52 std. brass TIS	cctbone
593	Miraphone BBb Contra		Burgerbob

Posted: **Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:54 pm**

Chatname wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:49 am M&W wide yellow brass slide 287grams

more details?

Posted: **Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:42 am**

I'd like to add a couple.

Conn 110H circa 1995 252g all Rose.

B&S Sarastro Bass 2016 301g nickel with gold bow.

Ross

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:07 pm**

Hi!

Just found this topic, very interesting to read through all the different weights!

I weighed the outers of my Shires B62NLW-slide and it was 266 grams. But I should mention that I didn’t remove the leather handguard.

Cheers

Posted: **Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:50 am**

259g Kruspe Weschke 1920‘s, gold brass with silver nickel, siphon

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 am**

Some of those numbers look a bit off. The King 3B slide is definitely not a lightweight slide. Neither is the Super. Are you sure those numbers are accurate?

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:17 pm**

The weight of the slides for different instruments of the "same" models may differ slightly. So it would be good to collect measurements for many instruments of the same model. This would also make individual measurement errors less important (and perhaps easy to spot). It would also tell us which manufacturers build slides more consistently.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:20 pm**

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 am Some of those numbers look a bit off. The King 3B slide is definitely not a lightweight slide. Neither is the Super. Are you sure those numbers are accurate?

On the 3B slides on the chart? 3B isn't light, but it's not heavy. Looks right to me.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:30 pm**

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 am Some of those numbers look a bit off. The King 3B slide is definitely not a lightweight slide. Neither is the Super. Are you sure those numbers are accurate?

I'm sure my numbers are accurate (within the limits of my scale, which is not certified). I neither stake claim to nor accept responsibility for the others. All I did was organize them into a table.

Would it be possible to have something better? Sure. Certified, calibrated scales. Serial numbers. Make sure the data is for unmodified slides that are perfectly clean and dry and have never been refinished. Just plain lots more data points. But this is the data we have.

As for Super slides? They're lighter than they look.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:10 pm**

My Butler CF slide for a King DG (6B)is 98g (Saturn water key)

Posted: **Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:50 am**

Regarding 3B slides, depends on when they were manufactured. Older ones have oversleeves and are heavier. Newer ones (maybe mid-70s on, though not sure when they started doing this) have double drawn outers with no oversleeves. These are definitely lighter than their older counterparts.

Posted: **Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:40 pm**

Egger tenor sackbut, standard Hainlein model, 217g

Posted: **Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:45 pm**

The only one sticking out to me is the Holton 180 slide weighing in at more than almost everything on the list. What the replacement tubes, kitchen sink drain parts?

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:29 am**

Early 90's Bach 42 LT slide with bronze M/K crook: 228g.

I'd be curious to see what a stock LT slide weights in at and whether the crook makes a notable difference or not (maybe a few grams but nothing significant I would guess). In any case interesting that it's around 40 grams lighter than the standard 42 slide and near the bottom of the scale in the same range as small bore horns.

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:51 pm**

A few more...

Conn 44H - yellow brass - 235g
Holton TR102 - nickel silver - 215g
Rath R4 - yellow brass - 267g

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:28 pm**

Weril TIS alto- 279g
Bach .525 (wide Shires crook, rose outers)- 268g
Bach 36 gold plated- 259g

Posted: **Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:32 pm**

Olds Ambassador -210 (w/leather grip)
Roth 1959- 260

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:30 pm**

1936 Bach 6 NY - 210.2g
2016 DaCarbo .500 - 185.7g
2016 BAC Elliot Mason Signature .491 (yellow w/nickel crook) - 176g
1972 Conn 88H (R s/n) - 275g
1966 Olds O-15 Opera - 269.5g
Late 80's Yamaha 613G - 248g
Early 80's Yamaha 612 (gold plated) - 259g
2010 Miraphone 670G BBb contra - 635g

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:31 pm**

IdoMeshulam wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:30 pm
2010 Miraphone 670G BBb contra - 635g

I forgot how much heavier yours was.

Posted: **Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:58 am**

Rath R1 - 181g

TromboneChat

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