"CK" trombone?

[arpthark]

Any idea what brand this is? Maybe "EK" (which makes me think Blessing, but likely nah)?

https://shopgoodwill.com/item/216426991

[JohnL]

Some parts make me think "Olds Studio", but others not so much.

[arpthark]

It caught my eye because it looked a bit Oldsy. I wonder if it might just be an eastern European stencil import.

[Chazzer69]

https://www.davidduggleby.com/auctions/ ... nts/77004/

This has some bell engraving (so annoying that Goodwill hardly ever adds an engraving photo) and is marked as "Lincoln - Distributed by Selmer - London - Foreign". It doesn't seem to have the counterweight engraving. Maybe that was the original owner's initials?

[stewbones43]

It is an Eastern European student horn from the 1960s, marketed by Selmer, London but also sold by the Huttl company.
Reasonable student trombone, well built but heavy hand slide. Small bore, probably less than 0.500in.

Cheers

Stewbones43

[rzeilinger]

I bought it. (won the auction)

I'll let you know what I find out when I receive it. I will measure the bell circumference, the inner slide bore with my calipers and weigh the outer slide and entire horn. I'll most likely post a video on my youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/@ronzgarage

My videos are mainly about vintage American made (with a few unknown foreign made) straight tenor trombones.

Ron Z

[rzeilinger]

Reasonable student trombone, well built but heavy hand slide. Small bore, probably less than 0.500in.

With the nickel bell flare (like the Olds "Studio" and Reynolds Emperor), outer top slide sleeves, ferrulls, hand brace and brace posts (likely solid) it looks to be more than a student trombone with those features. Most student trombones are almost entirely brass with few nickel trim sleeves.

The mouthpiece receiver is that same one on a few of my Selmer Signets.

Intermediate level at least.

Ron Z

[greenbean]

Looks cool and might be a good player. Congrats!

[MStarke]

Looks very much like some Hüttl trombones that I have seen online in the past, e.g.
https://auctionet.com/de/660163-posaune ... mit-tasche

[Walleye]

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I have had this counterweight for 50 years and know nothing about it

[stewbones43]

https://www.brasshistory.net/Chris-Kratt%20History.pdf

This link explains the engraving on the counter weight.
ARH are the initials of A R Huttl, grandson of A K Huttl, the founder of the Huttl Musical Instrument Company.
Christian Kratt was born in Germany but emigrated to the US and started a musical instrument import business. He first used the CK trade mark in 1942 for his Chris-Kratt Instrument Co. Inc.

My 1962 Selmer, London catalogue has the Lincoln trombone ( with the same distinctive counterweight) as the most basic trombone model, so no sign of it being an intermediate model.

Cheers

Stewbones43

[rzeilinger]

OK,
I received the Trombone (pictured above) today.
I have restoration work to do, however, I cleaned, straightened and aligned the slide and gave it a play.
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Some interesting construction info first.
Bore is .483 according to my calipers (similar to a King 2B, Conn 4H, Martin Committee, Bach 6)
The slide weighed in at 8.8 oz...relatively heavy for a straight tenor.
The entire trombone weighed in at 2 lbs 11oz, well under the standard 3 lbs.
The Bell seems close to my face compared to most American horn designs and it's balanced really well, not front heavy at all.

And someone un-soldered and re-soldered the counterweight back on upside down with ugly soldering work.
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Playing....first blow felt really fluffy & overly warm with resistance. I used several mouthpieces ranging from about a 12C size to a size 5.
I went ahead and checked the horn for air leaks by turning it upside down and fulling the bell with water.
As suspected, the tuning slides were out of round so I fixed that and put a heavier coat of slide grease on them, I also checked the outer slide and it was fine with no leaks.

2nd blow was a bit more responsive but still warm & fluffy with a weak upper register. For all the nickel on the horn it should respond better.

It dawned on me this is a German designed and made horn which I've always found to have a heavy slide and light if not a thin light bell.
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My discovery & conclusion after dropping a light down the top inner tube, there is NO LEAD PIPE / Venturi.
Which is a necessary design key to range, response, slotting and clarity.
I'll just have to order a king 2B Venturi, install it and see how it goes.

But thats the deal. The AR Huttl is very well made, just needs the venturi tube.

I'll do a video on this for my Youtube channel Ron'Z Garage.

Stay tuned for future posts.

[rzeilinger]

Some parts make me think "Olds Studio", but others not so much.

The Bell certainly appears to be similar to the 2 tone Studio and the tenon screw is on the slide like an Olds, not on the bell connector, but I think the similarities stop there.

RZ