King 4F slide on a King 3F

ttf_randyb · Post by **ttf_randyb** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:37 pm

Hi
Does anyone know if the King 4F slide will fit on a King 3F? If so;
how much wider is it?
what does it do to the intonation?
how does it effect the sound?
Also, are the new King 3B slides as good as the ones from the 70's?

Sorry - a lot of questions.
Thanks
Randy

ttf_Matt K · Post by **ttf_Matt K** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:12 pm

The tenons on the kings are basically all different when it comes to bore size with a few exceptions. The 3b is a 508 and the 4b is a 547 so that would be a pretty extreme difference. I would imagine that even if you managed to jury rig the two of them together youd be rather flat!

What are you trying to accomplish? The 3B+ is a 525 bore and is pretty well regarded as being a good commercial medium bore horn.

ttf_randyb · Post by **ttf_randyb** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:51 pm

Hi Matt
I am playing a 3b and have replaced the crook in the slide with a wider one. This allows me more neck room which I need to "square up" with the mouthpiece. This setup is working fine but I was just wondering if the 4b slide would fit.
Is the 3b and 3b+ slides the same width?
I 'm glad that you mentioned the 3b+. I had forgot about it.
Thanks
Randy

ttf_gregs70 · Post by **ttf_gregs70** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:54 pm

I have a mid-70s 4B-F and a mid-70s 3B-F. Just went in the basement and tried the 4B slide on the 3B. Too big, will not fit. Sorry!

ttf_Matt K · Post by **ttf_Matt K** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:03 pm

Quote from: randyb on Yesterday at 02:51 PMHi Matt
I am playing a 3b and have replaced the crook in the slide with a wider one. This allows me more neck room which I need to "square up" with the mouthpiece. This setup is working fine but I was just wondering if the 4b slide would fit.
Is the 3b and 3b+ slides the same width?
I 'm glad that you mentioned the 3b+. I had forgot about it.
Thanks
Randy

Did you put a wide glide on it? Or some other manufacturers crook?

Trombones can sometimes be interchangeable but typically from similar sizes. 3b and 4b are really quite different so even if you put a 4b crook on your 3b somehow... You probably wouldn't have a satisfactory result.

ttf_randyb · Post by **ttf_randyb** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:42 pm

Matt
My crook was installed by BAC Music and I am not sure what it is called. It plays very well. I had to push the tuning slide in a little but everything slots well and is tune.
Think I'll just stick with what I have and practice more
I would be interested in trying a Rath someday if there was enough neck room.
Thanks
Randy

ttf_Matt K · Post by **ttf_Matt K** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:05 pm

Ah one of the elliptical ones. Those are probably about as wide as the 4b but I've never actually seen one in person.

There is a fairly common crook that people put on 500 and 508 slides that is the same width as a Bach 42, which are quite wide, but with an appropriate inner bore. I think forum memver dj Kennedy has some for sale. If you wanted something wider, that would be the way to go. They're called "wide glide".

ttf_greenbean · Post by **ttf_greenbean** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:17 pm

Quote from: randyb on Yesterday at 02:51 PM...
Is the 3b and 3b+ slides the same width?
...

Yes.

You might try to pick up a 4B. They are great and can be had for not-too-much money.

ttf_greenbean · Post by **ttf_greenbean** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:17 pm

Quote from: randyb on Yesterday at 02:51 PM...
Is the 3b and 3b+ slides the same width?
...

Yes.

You might try to pick up a 4B. They are great and can be had for not-too-much money.