FS Raffling Trombones

ttf_Brassgurus · Post by **ttf_Brassgurus** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:04 pm

Fellow trombonist,

I am thinking of starting an online forum to raffle off professional trombones and other musical instruments. If you are interested in raffles please email me directly and I will invite you to the raffle page.

Our first raffle will be the a brand new Shires Q series tenor trombone.

It is a game of chance but you could get a trombone for $36.00.

Email me if you are interested.

Eric Hand
West Coast Band and Orchestra
DBA Peninsula Music and Repair
DBA Park Ave Music Center
1717 Park Ave
San Jose, Ca. 95126
408-279-5100 x722
[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]

ttf_fsung · Post by **ttf_fsung** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:43 pm

A cursory reading of the Raffles FAQ on the CA Dept of Justice website and the related statutes suggests that only non-profit organizations are permitted to operate raffles in CA.

Have the provisions of CA Penal Code section 320.5 been amended recently to permit for-profit organizations to operate raffles, and to permit raffles to be advertised and conducted via the Internet?

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ttf_Brassgurus · Post by **ttf_Brassgurus** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:01 pm

You are assuming that this "raffle" is in California or based in the USA for that matter.

Thanks for looking up the law though.

Eric

ttf_fsung · Post by **ttf_fsung** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:11 pm

Assume - to make a guess based on little or no evidence
Presume to make an informed guess based on reasonable evidence

Given the business names, address, and phone number associated with the raffle in the OP are all located in California, USA, and in the absence of an explict statement disassociating the raffle with the locales and businesses listed, I think it's reasonable to PRESUME that the information in OP is intended to create the impression that the raffle is being conducted by the individual and business(es) located at the address given in the OP.

If that is not the case, then in the interest of clarity, who is actually conducting the raffle, where is the raffle based, and under what legal jurisdication is the raffle being operated to ensure prospective ticket buyers that the prizes will actually be awarded, irregardless of the number of tickets sold?

ttf_Brassgurus · Post by **ttf_Brassgurus** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:17 pm

Cool thing about the internet. It's never clear.

If you are interested please email me and you can learn all you want about what I am thinking of doing.

Thanks for you interest.

Eric

ttf_harrison.t.reed · Post by **ttf_harrison.t.reed** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:36 pm

Quote from: Brassgurus on Aug 24, 2017, 03:01PMYou are assuming that this "raffle" is in California or based in the USA for that matter.

Thanks for looking up the law though.

Eric

what do the quotation marks mean? If the "raffle" is taking place in Nigeria I'm definitely in!

ttf_greenbean · Post by **ttf_greenbean** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:17 pm

Quote from: fsung on Aug 24, 2017, 05:11PMAssume - to make a guess based on little or no evidence
Presume to make an informed guess based on reasonable evidence
...

Say what?...

ttf_jbeckett · Post by **ttf_jbeckett** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:31 pm

Um.... who cares what it's called? It's you paying less money for something than what it's worth. Mr Hand saw fit to hook up some fellow Bonists with a horn, for less than what it's worth. Sign. Me. Up.
Emailed you Eric.

jbeckett

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:37 pm

Quote from: fsung on Aug 24, 2017, 05:11PMIf that is not the case, then in the interest of clarity, who is actually conducting the raffle, where is the raffle based, and under what legal jurisdication is the raffle being operated to ensure prospective ticket buyers that the prizes will actually be awarded, irregardless of the number of tickets sold?
All this legal jargon and you use "irregardless."

ttf_mwpfoot · Post by **ttf_mwpfoot** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:39 pm

There's a raffle ad on AM radio around here for a million dollar home in Silicon Valley, with other prizes too.

So ... me thinks there's an established way to do it.

Buyer beware and all that.

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:46 pm

Quote from: mwpfoot on Aug 25, 2017, 12:39PMThere's a raffle ad on AM radio around here for a million dollar home in Silicon Valley, with other prizes too.Is it this one?
https://siliconvalleyraffle.com/overview
Looks like a non-profit.

SoCal Special Olympics does a "Dream House" raffle every year.
https://socalraffle.com/prizewinners

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:02 pm

Quote from: JohnL on Aug 25, 2017, 01:46PMIs it this one?
https://siliconvalleyraffle.com/overview
Looks like a non-profit.

SoCal Special Olympics does a "Dream House" raffle every year.
https://socalraffle.com/prizewinners

Forget the dream house, just think about the possibilities of owning a new Shires for $36! LoL!

ttf_altoid · Post by **ttf_altoid** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:22 pm

Is this a raffle to benefit a worthy, non-profit cause?

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:01 pm

Quote from: altoid on Aug 25, 2017, 03:22PMIs this a raffle to benefit a worthy, non-profit cause?

Probably "MEP" (My Empty Pockets).

Or maybe Eric's store hasn't made a profit so he can call it "non-profit"

ttf_Bach42T · Post by **ttf_Bach42T** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:11 pm

Quote from: fsung on Aug 24, 2017, 02:43PMA cursory reading of the Raffles FAQ on the CA Dept of Justice website and the related statutes suggests that only non-profit organizations are permitted to operate raffles in CA.

Have the provisions of CA Penal Code section 320.5 been amended recently to permit for-profit organizations to operate raffles, and to permit raffles to be advertised and conducted via the Internet?

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And internet sales such as herein classifieds are also subject to taxes in certain states so maybe go track down those laws too while your at it??? It is what it is.