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What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:50 am
by Elow
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184336963113 It looks good and it’s not a bad price and i really want a small bore tenor and thus popped up. I know a couple people play these but i’ve never seen one in the wild before so im just looking for some more information. If anyone can tell me about characteristics or some quirks about them that would be great. Also what would be your personal top bid? I always get carried away in the last couple of seconds and bid more than i want to spend so i’m trying to limit that. Thanks
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:52 am
by Elow
I’m not really familiar with selmer. The only selmer i’ve had is my school bassoon and it was a piece of junk.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:03 am
by Posaunus
https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=6006
Don't chase the bidding frenzy. Decide what this older, small-bore trombone is worth to you (probably no more than $500) and bid no higher.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:22 am
by Vegasbound
If you want a used small bore horn I would suggest making contact with DJ Kennedy
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:33 am
by Doubler
Selmer made a whole range of instruments from utilitarian to legendary. Selmer Paris was top of the line, if I remember correctly.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:50 am
by BGuttman
Paris was the home of Henri Selmer; not a brand. The older trombones were Bolero and Largo. Bolero was a small bore comparable to King 3B. Largo was a large bore. K23 was a professional grade small bore.
You don't see many Selmer brass instruments in the US because part of the agreement to purchase Vincent Bach was that Selmer made brasses would not be imported as competition.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:33 am
by henryTbone
The Selmer 23 Special existed before the Bolero and Largo Model where introduced in 1964 IIRC. I had one for a couple of years. Great playing .485 bore Horn. Plays much bigger than bore size suggests. It allows for an unparralled dynamic Range. This horn won`t break up, no matter what you do. Inner slide Plating is extremely solid. Very well built horn. Looks like a very well maintained instrumnt. The price Tag looks very attractive too.
I just can`t handle sub .500 bore instruments. If so, i would still own one.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:12 pm
by henryTbone
Two more things jumping to my mind. The horn is heavy. It was way more effort to hold up this horn for a gig than others. I also added a counterweight to improve balance.
What would be my maximun bid? I would not bid, cause i sold one of these for reasons stated above.
There is a large gap between what a horn is worth to an intertested player and market value.
So if you are paying like 600-700 for it you got a deal, cause the instrument is worth it (to a collctor and player).
You might not get much more than the asked 350 out of it in case you will (or have to) sell it again. These horn are rare and not widely known. This accounts for the limited interest on the market.
If you like what we could tell you about the horn...go for it.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:29 pm
by Doug Elliott
The previous two posts from henryTBone are exactly my impression too. Very small, heavy, plays great if you like that sort of thing. I wouldn't buy it... but it's a good price for what it is.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:35 am
by elmsandr
A friend had one of these in the 90s. Great sounding horn, but liked his 2B better for that type of work. I tried to help him sell it in the early days of online classifieds and eBay. I believe I asked roughly this same question back in the trombone-L days. Anyway, these horns have sold for ~$600 for the last couple of decades. There are reasons they have not increased in value too much over that time.
Cheers,
Andy
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:56 am
by Elow
Interesting, i’ll set my max bid to 400 and hopefully i’ll win.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:04 pm
by MagnumH
Elow wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:56 am
Interesting, i’ll set my max bid to 400 and hopefully i’ll win.
Resisting the urge to bid in at $400.01
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:27 pm
by Elow
MagnumH wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:04 pm
Elow wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:56 am
Interesting, i’ll set my max bid to 400 and hopefully i’ll win.
Resisting the urge to bid in at $400.01
I guess i’ll have to break my bank and bid $400.02
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:34 pm
by Elow
My worst nightmare. I guess it wasn’t meant to be
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:10 am
by BGuttman
welcome to Ebay. Happens to me all the time.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:55 am
by JohnL
Elow wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:34 pmMy worst nightmare. I guess it wasn’t meant to be
If you really want something, your bidding should be based on what you're willing and able to pay and/or what you think the instrument is worth, not on what you think it will sell for. That way, if you do get outbid, you at least have the satisfaction of knowing that the "winner" is actually the loser - you still have your money and they're now stuck with an item that they paid too much for. Obviously, this doesn't apply if you're buying an item to resell it ("flipping"). Then it's all about bidding low and hoping there's no competition.
The other thing is that items seldom sell for round numbers. People will usually bid just a little more. Sometimes that's where the game really is, particularly on items where the actual value is pretty clear. Everyone knows it's worth about $400, but how much more are they willing to go? $5? $7? $15.67?
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:52 am
by Elow
JohnL wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:55 am
Elow wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:34 pmMy worst nightmare. I guess it wasn’t meant to be
If you really want something, your bidding should be based on what you're willing and able to pay and/or what you think the instrument is worth, not on what you think it will sell for. That way, if you do get outbid, you at least have the satisfaction of knowing that the "winner" is actually the loser - you still have your money and they're now stuck with an item that they paid too much for. Obviously, this doesn't apply if you're buying an item to resell it ("flipping"). Then it's all about bidding low and hoping there's no competition.
The other thing is that items seldom sell for round numbers. People will usually bid just a little more. Sometimes that's where the game really is, particularly on items where the actual value is pretty clear. Everyone knows it's worth about $400, but how much more are they willing to go? $5? $7? $15.67?
Yeah, i want it but i’m also saving for a euph so i’m not too terribly mad.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:17 pm
by Thrawn22
Its funny. There are guys i know that have these horns that love them and haven't bothered to try anything else. Its like the guys that love Olds trombones. They're going take them to the grave.
Re: What are these like?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:21 pm
by Doug Elliott
In both case they're different from anything else. Sometimes that's a good thing... sometimes not.