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JoeAumann wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:25 am Rath makes excellent instruments. They have as many options as boutique US makers. You can get one setup to be "like" a variety of makes of horns, not just the 88h like people are indicating above. That is to say they have yellow brass bells too, and even nickel silver. So for example, if you wanted one to be like a Bach, I'm sure they could get you towards that end of the spectrum, but I don't believe they make one-piece bells- the chief feature of Bach instruments.

Crazy4Tbone86 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:34 pm Hmmm?!? Not seeing much on the Internet about the new R6F model. I will definitely be interested to see and play them in the next couple of years.

Fidbone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:52 pm

Crazy4Tbone86 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:34 pm Hmmm?!? Not seeing much on the Internet about the new R6F model. I will definitely be interested to see and play them in the next couple of years.

That's because there isn't much on the internet about the new R6F model.

Still early days, I've tested it and can say it will be a big seller........ Loved it

Fidbone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:08 pm Michael Rath has been developing the new R6 large bore (.547”) Bb/F trombone over the last two years. He set out with the concept of designing an instrument that meets the needs of the modern player and one that enhances the successful range of Rath trombones.
The R6 is the first model to feature the new Rath designed valve and is made by a local engineering company here in Yorkshire (UK). Due to the unique way that the valve is machined the bore of the tubing is perfect throughout ensuring uninterrupted air flow and secure partials through all registers.
The instrument has been developed with single radius bows on the hand slide, F tuning and main tuning slide bows. Single radius bows allow for a more consistent transition through the dynamic range giving more control to the player and provides a more open feel and sound.
The main tuning slide features a newly designed large taper and breaks with Rath tradition with a single fixed brace between the tuning slide legs instead of the classic ‘R’. The brace gives the instrument a more traditional look but also increases response and the new taper gives a very rich and full sound.
Michael has always worked closely with his team of technicians to ensure the quality, consistency and to develop new techniques in the manufacturing process. Recently he has developed new tooling to create a more rounded rim profile on the bells. This new shape has increased the feedback to the player without compromising projection and will be used on all new Rath Trombones including the new R6.
Michael Rath is very proud to launch the R6 which is very much a product of his decades of experience working with the world’s top players and his passion for crafting instruments of the highest quality.

ericcheng2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:21 pm

Fidbone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:08 pm Michael Rath has been developing the new R6 large bore (.547”) Bb/F trombone over the last two years. He set out with the concept of designing an instrument that meets the needs of the modern player and one that enhances the successful range of Rath trombones.
The R6 is the first model to feature the new Rath designed valve and is made by a local engineering company here in Yorkshire (UK). Due to the unique way that the valve is machined the bore of the tubing is perfect throughout ensuring uninterrupted air flow and secure partials through all registers.
The instrument has been developed with single radius bows on the hand slide, F tuning and main tuning slide bows. Single radius bows allow for a more consistent transition through the dynamic range giving more control to the player and provides a more open feel and sound.
The main tuning slide features a newly designed large taper and breaks with Rath tradition with a single fixed brace between the tuning slide legs instead of the classic ‘R’. The brace gives the instrument a more traditional look but also increases response and the new taper gives a very rich and full sound.
Michael has always worked closely with his team of technicians to ensure the quality, consistency and to develop new techniques in the manufacturing process. Recently he has developed new tooling to create a more rounded rim profile on the bells. This new shape has increased the feedback to the player without compromising projection and will be used on all new Rath Trombones including the new R6.
Michael Rath is very proud to launch the R6 which is very much a product of his decades of experience working with the world’s top players and his passion for crafting instruments of the highest quality.

Single radius bows with a tuning slide brace.....was he aiming to target the American symphonic market by any chance?

FOSSIL wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:37 pm

ericcheng2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:21 pm

Single radius bows with a tuning slide brace.....was he aiming to target the American symphonic market by any chance?

Nah....he'll sell it to anyone....

Chris

Mv2541 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:54 pm ...I think the Shires with an axial was right for me at that stage of development. If your ideal setup is something like mine you can save alot of money and just get an 88H. Not as pretty and not as easy to play, but also not as sterile, nowhere near as expensive, and the new Conn valves are actually really great.

hyperbolica wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:32 am

Mv2541 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:54 pm ...I think the Shires with an axial was right for me at that stage of development. If your ideal setup is something like mine you can save alot of money and just get an 88H. Not as pretty and not as easy to play, but also not as sterile, nowhere near as expensive, and the new Conn valves are actually really great.

Your choice of words is very interesting. It sounds to me like you were calling the Shires sterile. Maybe I got that wrong. But that was also my impression and the reason I never bought a Shires (aside from the MD+). To me they felt so geared toward symphonic playing that they seemed a little robotic, and lacked a personal flavor. ...not that there's anything wrong with that, of course...

I did come across a Rath that I really liked at the ATW one year, with specs identical to what someone else mentioned. R3 with nickel silver bell, red or reddish elsewhere (TS and main slide outers). I think the barrier there was price. If I come across one of those used, I think that's really my horn. That combination appeals to a combination of traits that I liked from vintage Conns. The bell of the 48h, overall size of the 79h, and from a tradition that revered the 88h.

hyperbolica wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:32 am I did come across a Rath that I really liked at the ATW one year, with specs identical to what someone else mentioned. R3 with nickel silver bell, red or reddish elsewhere (TS and main slide outers). I think the barrier there was price. If I come across one of those used, I think that's really my horn. That combination appeals to a combination of traits that I liked from vintage Conns. The bell of the 48h, overall size of the 79h, and from a tradition that revered the 88h.

bbocaner wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:10 pm My main R4F is similar: nickel-silver bell (I got the screw-bell option, too), bronze handslide, red brass tuning slide, and a hagmann. It's a really beautiful setup with four different alloys, but the combination really works as far as playing, too! Perhaps a tad on the bright side, but not much, and so consistent at various dynamic levels.

Mv2541 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:03 am

bbocaner wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:10 pm My main R4F is similar: nickel-silver bell (I got the screw-bell option, too), bronze handslide, red brass tuning slide, and a hagmann. It's a really beautiful setup with four different alloys, but the combination really works as far as playing, too! Perhaps a tad on the bright side, but not much, and so consistent at various dynamic levels.

This combo is really ridiculous! If I had infinite money I would take an R3 like this with a Rotax and a 31AL leadpipe.