TromboneChat

Hello everyone.

I want to know what is the best valves trombone brand. I have one (Dillons) and when I am playing the low notes it’s sounds like covered sound. I know I'm used to the sound of big trombones. Maybe I have to practice more or change my mpc. I am using a Bach 6 1/2A and 6 1/2AL

Thanks for your advice

Most valve trombones have rather small bores through the valve section. This is probably why you feel it doesn't respond when you use a lot of that tubing.

The old Reynolds valve trombones had larger bore through the valve section. There might be some with reasonably large bore at the valves, but I don't know which ones.

Note that we are talking about trombones using 3 valves instead of a slide; not an F-valve.

Valve Trombones are a completely different anaimal. You can`t play them like you play a Bach 42B or an 88H.
Back off on the amount of air used. work on getting a good sound in the middle register. It`s never going to sound big below low Bb. You have to learn how to play it. It`s really no different than learning to play Bass Trombone. Sure it`s just another "Trombone shaped "object. But to do it correctly , you have to learn to play it with a good sound and approach.

almost all valve trombones are small bore. Few are made with a 4th valve, except for some European makes. Most use a regular small bore trombone bell with a valve section substituted for the slide. this makes it easy to add a slide as well if desired. There are compact models of valve trombones that have more bends than a regular trombone so that they are shorter. These are easy to fine on ebay. I haven't played any of these but the cheapest ones I would expect to play like an inexpensive instrument.
I have owned Conn, Bach, Olds and Yamaha. the Conn is .500 bore and can use any Conn small bore bell with the valve section. The Conn is considered to be one of the better valve trombones. The Olds has a .515 valve bore section and plays quite well for a valve trombone, like the Conn, most small bore olds bells will fit their valve section. The Yamaha, like the Conn is .500 valve bore. It plays well and comes with a ysl 354 bell. The 354 slide fits the bell as well. I don't know about the interchangeability between the 354 valve section and other yamaha small bore bells. The Bach has a .485 bore, and while it plays well I find the sound to be a little smaller or compact han the others. It comes with a standard Bach 16 bell section and any of the small bore bach slides fit.
I haven't played the king 2 or 3B valve trombones but they are both small bore about .485, so i expect them to have some resistance when playing compared with the others.
All of these will require some adaptation for the player used to the slide. Most have no way to adjust intonation expect for lipping. A lever or ring to adjust the first or 3rd valve slide will help intonation a lot. On the valve trombone I prefer a ring to extend the 1st valve slide, as i find it hard to hold the instrument when using a ring to extend the 3rd valve slide.
As far as mouthpieces, valve trombones have more resistance than slide trombones so a free blowing mpc would seem to be in order, but they are also small bore trombones so they need color in the sound so not too deep. A 6 1/2 AL is OK I find the Yamaha 48 quite good, the Wick 7CS may also help. But a better quality valve trombone, Olds, Conn or Yamaha may solve more problems than the mouthpiece can. HTH.

Hello. Thanks for your advice. I am going continue practicing and see how can I get the best sound. I am going to check the Olds trombones. If this bones have a large bore maybe I will buying one . I play a King 42 and a Conn 70H bass trombone. I am use to play theses big trombones. Again thanks for your advice. If someone knows where I can get this trombone (Olds) please let me know.

Olds has been out of business since the late 1970s. Used ones show on Ebay from time to time.

You may find one of the old rotary valve trombones may have a larger bore and will feel better.

If you can find a Conn 90G (shaped like a baritone horn) it has larger piston valves.

As Dukesboneman has said, playing a more conventional valve trombone requires less air and more finesse. It requires less air than even a slide trombone of the same size.