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Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:21 pm
by Elow
Anyone know who he is? He sounds great, especially for a valve trombone. Any idea why he didnt play slide?

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:24 pm
by Bach5G

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:27 pm
by Elow
Bach5G wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:24 pm Brookmeyer?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brookmeyer
Makes sense, didn’t even know he was on that album Thanks

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:39 am
by Posaunus
Elow wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:21 pm .... Any idea why he didnt play slide?
Sort of a strange question. He played valve trombone, and played it well. Why switch? Why don't you play clarinet?

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:37 am
by Elow
Posaunus wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:39 am
Elow wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:21 pm .... Any idea why he didnt play slide?
Sort of a strange question. He played valve trombone, and played it well. Why switch? Why don't you play clarinet?
Not a bad thing, just curious if he started out on slide or valve because most don’t start on valves.

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:30 pm
by BGuttman
Valve trombone was a popular instrument for Latin bands. Also was a way for trumpet or baritone players to get into trombone playing.

Valve trombone offers a few advantages in improvising, especially in this era of stream of notes playing. You can get a lot more facility in fast passages with a valve trombone.

There have been some seriously good valve trombone players in the past. Juan Tizol, Brad Gowans, and Bob Brookmeyer are three greats.

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:03 pm
by Bach5G
Also Rob McConnell.

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:06 am
by Arthurtwoshedsjackson
and Mike Fahn

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:19 am
by Basbasun
Puccini, Belini and Verdi had the valve trombone in mind in all the music they wrote. Today many opera ochestras do use valve trombones for their music. Valve trombone is a great instrument when played like fex Bob Broomeyer. I did played together with Bob for a month in Sweden with Gugge Hedrenius band, I told him once that I played the clarinett before I started on the trombone. He looki funny on me and said "well, so did I".

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:18 am
by Posaunus
Bach5G wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:03 pm Also Rob McConnell.
:good: Eh?

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:31 am
by BGuttman
Also, but slightly tangential, Kai Winding using a King Trombonium (a sort of Baritone Horn shaped Valve Trombone).

All goes to show that the valve trombone has a place even though slide players tend to look down on it.

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:27 am
by Arthurtwoshedsjackson
There’s a promotional photo of Winding and J.J. Johnson holding trombonia that can be found online. Does anyone know how much they used these horns for performances or recordings?

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:54 pm
by ithinknot
Arthurtwoshedsjackson wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:27 am There’s a promotional photo of Winding and J.J. Johnson holding trombonia that can be found online. Does anyone know how much they used these horns for performances or recordings?
Session details here: https://jazzdiscogcorner.pagesperso-ora ... g_1956.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3buruVWOu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lzXBGjrSic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_8CTgGtfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnAPbjAt4Q

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:42 pm
by Basbasun
Elow wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:21 pm Anyone know who he is? He sounds great, especially for a valve trombone. Any idea why he didnt play slide?
Well, this question make me realize what an old fart I am.

Re: Valve trombonists for Gerry Mulligan?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:38 pm
by Arthurtwoshedsjackson
Thanks ithinknot!