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Which one's did I miss?

Among the Saxhons there are tenor, baritone, and bass. All the same length, different bore sizes. Nobody plays saxhorns any more, though (except in Civil War Reconstruction bands).

At one time there were American tenor horns, baritone horns, and bass horns patterned after the saxhorns. All looking like a later American baritone horn. Also pretty obsolete.

There are marching euphoniums, and even bariphoniums if you want to split hairs enough.

German Tenorhorn and German baritone. And of course frensh horn in Bb, and tenor Wagner tuba in Bb.

Wagner Tubas?

The Bb side of all double and triple horns, marching Bb horn, Kaiser baritone, bass flugelhorn, bass cornet (very rare), ballad horn, and technically there are multiple distinct species of bass trumpet.

BGuttman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:16 am Nobody plays saxhorns any more, though (except in Civil War Reconstruction bands).

Not quite true, bass saxhorn is still manufactured by Courtois, Willson, and probably PGM Couesnon, and there are people who play it very well.

Valved ophicleide

tenor tuba
https://meisterinstrumente-kroning.de/i ... b/?lang=en

tenor helicon
https://www.virtuosityboston.com/wurlit ... licon.html

superbone




yeah saxhorn - still a thing in france.

Fun times
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Nuvo/jHorn ... rQEALw_wcB

jacobgarchik wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:36 pm tenor helicon
https://www.virtuosityboston.com/wurlit ... licon.html

Good one, tenor sousaphone as well.

Tenor normaphone and tenor jazzophone

https://brasspedia.com/index.php?title=Normaphone

bonanza of forgotten configurations here, in tenor and baritone varieties too:

https://eabbpodcast.com/episode-7-inter ... collector/

In the late 1970's I heard a jazz player play a gig on Normaphone in DC, I think it was at the One Step Down. Maybe it was Scott Robinson.... ?

Baritone saxtuba

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxtuba

elmsandr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:40 pmWagner Tubas?

Yes, usually played by frensh horn players in Nibelungen , Walkyrie or similar late romantic operas, often Wagner, Mahler, Berlioz. the most famous ones are from Alexander, Mainz, Germany.

https://gebr-alexander.de/en/wagner-tubas/

marccromme wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:14 am

elmsandr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:40 pmWagner Tubas?

Yes, usually played by frensh horn players in Nibelungen , Walkyrie or similar late romantic operas, often Wagner, Mahler, Berlioz. the most famous ones are from Alexander, Mainz, Germany.

https://gebr-alexander.de/en/wagner-tubas/

No Wagner tubas in Mahler or Berlioz that I know of (although both did write for other Bb valved instruments).

Strauss, Bruckner and Stravinsky, yes.

whatever you call this

http://www.brassark.com/museum/closecornu.html

BGuttman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:16 am Nobody plays saxhorns any more, though (except in Civil War Reconstruction bands).

Oh, really?

Opus 333 Saxhorn Quartet
Opus 333 Quartet, Bernstein: Candide Overture
Opus 333 Quartet, Dvorak: Suite Americanie
Opus 333 Quartet, Albeniz: Asturias
Opus 333 Quartet, Sarasate: Zapateado, Danses espagnole
No Slide Brass Sextet
No Slide Brass Sextet, Petit Papa Noël
No Slide Brass Sextet, Foxtrot
No Slide Brass Sextet, Va! Laisse couler mes larmes
No Slide Brass Sextet, Douce Nuit
France Musique, Gounod : Petite Symphonie pour instruments à vent en si bémol majeur
Tom Caudelle, Pascal: Sonate en 6'30
Anthony Galinier - The French Tenor Horn
Salford Saxhorn Quartet

Saxhorn Fest 2020

Courtois Saxhorns
Willson Saxhorn

LeTromboniste wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:49 am

marccromme wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:14 am

Yes, usually played by frensh horn players in Nibelungen , Walkyrie or similar late romantic operas, often Wagner, Mahler, Berlioz. the most famous ones are from Alexander, Mainz, Germany.

https://gebr-alexander.de/en/wagner-tubas/

No Wagner tubas in Mahler or Berlioz that I know of (although both did write for other Bb valved instruments).

Strauss, Bruckner and Stravinsky, yes.

Yes, you are right, I was thinking of Mahlers 7th, but it's tenor horn there.

But we forgot Schoenberg and Bartok

What is the difference between a saxhorn and a euphonium? Bore size?

more of a different wrap than a different instrument, but here's a variation on the bass trumpet.

https://www.kanstul.com/instruments/zig ... s-trumpet/

Mikebmiller wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:35 pm What is the difference between a saxhorn and a euphonium? Bore size?

The saxhorn I'm most familiar with is the over the shoulder type. Very rare nowadays (again, except in Civil War Re-enactment bands).

The Saxhorn is more conical than a Baritone (English) instrument but less conical than a Euphonium.

baritone Sudraphone

https://www.musicantic.eu/brasswind-ins ... _uk_D.html

jacobgarchik wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:55 am whatever you call this

http://www.brassark.com/museum/closecornu.html

That's the Cornu I built for Noah. It was a military instrument in ancient Rome. The valves are a modern addition, obviously. These are some originals they found in Pompeii.

LeTromboniste wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:49 am

marccromme wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:14 am Wagner tubas?

Yes, usually played by french horn players in Nibelungen, Walkyrie or similar late romantic operas, often Wagner, Mahler, Berlioz. The most famous ones are from Alexander, Mainz, Germany.

https://gebr-alexander.de/en/wagner-tubas/

No Wagner tubas in Mahler or Berlioz that I know of (although both did write for other Bb valved instruments).

Strauss, Bruckner and Stravinsky, yes.

Bruckner Symphony #7:
The symphony requires the following orchestra:
• woodwinds: 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets in A, 2 bassoons
• brass: 4 horns in F, 3 trumpets in F, 3 trombones, 4 Wagner tubas (2 B♭ tenors, 2 F basses)*, contrabass tuba
• percussion: timpani, cymbals, triangle
• strings: violins 1, 2, violas, violoncellos, double basses

* Used in the 2nd and 4th movements only.

Posaunus wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:41 pm

LeTromboniste wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:49 am

No Wagner tubas in Mahler or Berlioz that I know of (although both did write for other Bb valved instruments).

Strauss, Bruckner and Stravinsky, yes.

Bruckner Symphony #7:
The symphony requires the following orchestra:
• woodwinds: 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets in A, 2 bassoons
• brass: 4 horns in F, 3 trumpets in F, 3 trombones, 4 Wagner tubas (2 B♭ tenors, 2 F basses)*, contrabass tuba
• percussion: timpani, cymbals, triangle
• strings: violins 1, 2, violas, violoncellos, double basses

* Used in the 2nd and 4th movements only.

Yes, definitely used in Bruckner

You learn something new every day!

Burgerbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:13 pm There are marching euphoniums, and even bariphoniums if you want to split hairs enough.

“Bariphonium” sounds like a medical procedure.

Not sure where my 4 valvers fit in. One thing I do know for certain is that I really need to figure out how to take a decent photo of them. I currently have 2, one is in the shop getting it's 100 year tune-up.

Ozzlefinch wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:50 amne thing I do know for certain is that I really need to figure out how to take a decent photo of them.

A couple suggestions:

1) Use nature's softbox; shoot outdoors on a cloudy day (basically, you want it just cloudy enough that you cast little to no shadow.

2) Set up someplace where you have enough room to take a few steps back rather than having to use a wide-angle lens (or a wide-angle setting on a zoom camera).

3) Shoot square on rather than at an angle.

Almost everything on my site was shot in my back yard on cloudy days using old sheets as backdrops. The horn is on a stand (sometimes I put the stand on a table so I don't have to get down so low) and I try to keep the camera level.

Tenor fanfare trumpet
Bass Flügelhorn (the one in the picture below is on the way to me, should be here in the next couple of days )

from a facebook weird instrument group
valved alphorn
*literally* 9 foot

jacobgarchik wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:19 pm from a facebook weird instrument group
valved alphorn
*literally* 9 foot

Cool. First time ever I have seen a brass and valved alphorn. I did only encountour Wooden ones

I don't know the first thing about "Alp Horns" with valves [Is that a Valph-Horn ?] but I definitely remember being in the Wallowa mountains, the "Alps" of Oregon {C= 1985 ?], where I discovered an Alphorn hanging over the counter inside a convenience store. The owner was delighted when I told him that I could play it and the resulting photograph is my proof ! I'm sure that my resounding efforts disturbed a whole lotta fauna and flora ! That sucker could REALLY project [although my son at ground ZERO didn't seem too upset !] !

"Bass Flügelhorn (the one in the picture below is on the way to me, should be here in the next couple of days )"

Hmmmm ! It looks almost identical to the Mirafone "Tenor Horn" I bought from Roger Bobo back in the mid-60's ! I believe that Leonhard Paul of the Mnozil Brass plays the same instrument on many occasions.

I can't remember who, but there is a brass maker who sells valve sections that you can plug into existing wooden alphorns.

2bobone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:40 pm "Bass Flügelhorn (the one in the picture below is on the way to me, should be here in the next couple of days )"

Hmmmm ! It looks almost identical to the Mirafone "Tenor Horn" I bought from Roger Bobo back in the mid-60's ! I believe that Leonhard Paul of the Mnozil Brass plays the same instrument on many occasions.

Leonhard played a beer hall bass trumpet like that a long time ago, but he's been playing on Schagerl horns along with the rest of Mnozil for many years. First he had a custom made top-action rotary bass flugelhorn, and now he plays a standard Schagerl Wunderhorn.

V.F. Červený invented (1867 patent) a line of instruments from at least E♭ alto to B♭ contrabass, called the armeeposaune which were cylindrical bore saxhorn-shaped instruments, with the upward bell pointed forwards. I'm pretty sure the contrabass in 18' B♭ (pictured) would make a great cimbasso for Verdi and Puccini.

Image CC-BY, University of Edinburgh, via Europeana.