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Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:49 pm
by JCBone
https://shop.voigt-brass.de/MEISTERINST ... 88-FX.html
Has anybody ever tried this? The valve design is very strange. I don't think Iv'e ever seen anything like this. Seems like it would be a lot less freeblowing then a more traditionally- designed instrument.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:56 pm
by Posaunus
Probably not. I'll bet it plays very well. And it looks great!
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:01 pm
by Burgerbob
That's a big rotor. Probably plays nice and open.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:06 pm
by JCBone
Well I was talking about how the bends in to the middle.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:15 pm
by Peacemate
The valve is probably open enough to make up for those pretty large radius bends. They definitely don't look tighter than a closed wraps bends.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:37 pm
by Burgerbob
Not any more tight than something like the U bends on a Greenhoe, which play great (with a smaller rotor to boot).
I think the lesson here is that it's easy to attribute open
looking things with open
playing things. Just like the popular opinion that silver plated instruments are brighter... because they look brighter.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:03 pm
by BGuttman
Notice also that the tubing right by the valve does not have a "knuckle". This could make the blow much more open.
Interesting design. I like it.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:04 pm
by Kbiggs
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:25 pm
by Posaunus
Could be essentially the same valve.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:40 pm
by harrisonreed
Yeah the bend is so subtle and spread over a distance. What an idea!
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:26 am
by Basbasun
The horn look really nice. I tested lots of Voight horns years ago, they do make wonderful horns.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:31 am
by Basbasun
Posaunus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:25 pm
Could be essentially the same valve.
They do not the same though.
Re: Voight J188FX
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:17 pm
by marccromme
Similar design in the Bach Artisan series, except the X wrap, smooth bendings, large rotor, big ears. Seems this is the new accepted design.
X wrap actually costs a half circle more in bend than the King, Conn or Artisan wrap.
And yes, I never understood why the Greenhorn design does everything right except for the rather small radius U bend.
Could easily be avoided ...
https://www.bachbrass.com/instruments/t ... -trombone/