Anyone tried this??
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Anyone tried this??
Has anyone tried this instrument in any configuration??
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I wish I had! I think Martin van den Berg (Metropole Orchestra, Concertgebouw Jazz Orchestra etc.) played one for quite a while, though it looks like he's been using some sort of Thein with a Duo Gravis Silversonic bell for big band work recently. I liked his sound on the Kuhnl.
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ohhhh. They have a dependent version too! https://www.hornguys.com/collections/ba ... ked-rotors
That first valve cover looks pretty beefy. I wonder what's under it? I'm guessing it's some type of weight due to how far it sticks out. Seems pretty heavily built, but looks an be deceiving.
That first valve cover looks pretty beefy. I wonder what's under it? I'm guessing it's some type of weight due to how far it sticks out. Seems pretty heavily built, but looks an be deceiving.
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I believe there's a video floating around with him soloing with the Jazz Orchestra.eatanick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:05 am I wish I had! I think Martin van den Berg (Metropole Orchestra, Concertgebouw Jazz Orchestra etc.) played one for quite a while, though it looks like he's been using some sort of Thein with a Duo Gravis Silversonic bell for big band work recently. I liked his sound on the Kuhnl.
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Yes, I've played the couple that were at hornguys. I thought they were OK, nothing that really caught my attention.
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I remember looking up K&H horns back when Ben posted that video. I think the horn he's playing there might be the previous iteration of the ones at Hornguys. The dependent model they actually called their "Big Band Bass".
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I played the older version of the dependent orchestral configuration almost 20 years ago for a few years.
All K&H trombones are certainly great from a technical/craftmanship perspective.
I remember that it played really easily.
However it MAY have been a little bit "anonymous" in the same way as many people think Yamahas play.
All K&H trombones are certainly great from a technical/craftmanship perspective.
I remember that it played really easily.
However it MAY have been a little bit "anonymous" in the same way as many people think Yamahas play.
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Alto: Conn 35h, Kanstul, Weril
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Bass: Conn 112h/62h, Greenhoe TIS, Conn 60h/"62h"
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Thanks. Good to know. BTW you and I are communicating about mouthpieces right now.MStarke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:41 am I played the older version of the dependent orchestral configuration almost 20 years ago for a few years.
All K&H trombones are certainly great from a technical/craftmanship perspective.
I remember that it played really easily.
However it MAY have been a little bit "anonymous" in the same way as many people think Yamahas play.

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WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:14 amThanks. Good to know. BTW you and I are communicating about mouthpieces right now.MStarke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:41 am I played the older version of the dependent orchestral configuration almost 20 years ago for a few years.
All K&H trombones are certainly great from a technical/craftmanship perspective.
I remember that it played really easily.
However it MAY have been a little bit "anonymous" in the same way as many people think Yamahas play.![]()


Markus Starke
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Alto: Conn 35h, Kanstul, Weril
Tenor: 2x Conn 6h, Blessing medium, Elkhart 88H, 88HT, Greenhoe 88HT, Heckel, Piering replica
Bass: Conn 112h/62h, Greenhoe TIS, Conn 60h/"62h"
https://www.mst-studio-mouthpieces.com/
Alto: Conn 35h, Kanstul, Weril
Tenor: 2x Conn 6h, Blessing medium, Elkhart 88H, 88HT, Greenhoe 88HT, Heckel, Piering replica
Bass: Conn 112h/62h, Greenhoe TIS, Conn 60h/"62h"
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I'd have to agree with Starke, it was a fine horn but was a bit "anonymous" as he says. I wouldn't say it sounds like a Yamaha, but it has that same quality of being hard to pin down. Perfect for some people!
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thx. And I know a lot of it has to do with the player and each one's approach, etc..... but didn't really know too many who play these instruments, no one in the US, and was curious as to why they'd be available here.
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I have a colleague who plays an older one. It was a lot less expensive than a Bach, Conn, or Holton. He's primarily a tenor player, so a fancy bass wasn't really needed. Besides, he's also a keyboard player and good pianos and other keyboard instruments command a lot more money than a trombone.
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Re: Anyone tried this??
I've tried different configurations when I visited Adams in March this year, horns play great, well built but I just didn't get along with the ergonomics, difficult to hold etc.
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Well that's interesting. Why was it difficult to hold and for some perspective what is your current bass trombone? Thanks.BoomtownRath wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:33 pm I've tried different configurations when I visited Adams in March this year, horns play great, well built but I just didn't get along with the ergonomics, difficult to hold etc.
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Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.......
There is bracing that runs between the thumb and forefinger (like a king 6B) and the bracing on the slide where you grip it is angled (for comfort I presume) but I found it had the opposite effect. Just very uncomfortable ergonomically. I'm currently playing a Rath R9 and a bach 50B3O, prefer the bach
There is bracing that runs between the thumb and forefinger (like a king 6B) and the bracing on the slide where you grip it is angled (for comfort I presume) but I found it had the opposite effect. Just very uncomfortable ergonomically. I'm currently playing a Rath R9 and a bach 50B3O, prefer the bach