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Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:04 pm
by Goodgig
Bought this trombone on Craigslist. I'm assuming it’s a stencil - but of what? Anyone heard of Hardell USA? Mouthpiece receiver is smaller diameter. Slide bore is about.483. Heavy slide but sounds pretty decent with a lot of core.
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:14 pm
by Goodgig
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Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:37 pm
by JohnL
Short cork barrels, small bore, undersized lead pipe? I’m thinking Czech.
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:03 pm
by officermayo
JohnL wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:37 pm
Short cork barrels, small bore, undersized lead pipe? I’m thinking Czech.
Nah. He paid cash.
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:16 pm
by afugate
officermayo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:03 pm
JohnL wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:37 pm
Short cork barrels, small bore, undersized lead pipe? I’m thinking Czech.
Nah. He paid cash.
--Andy in OKC
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:06 pm
by sacfxdx
afugate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:16 pm
officermayo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:03 pm
Nah. He paid cash.
--Andy in OKC
Unfortunately he's here all week.
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:05 pm
by JohnL
sacfxdx wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:06 pmUnfortunately he's here all week.
Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your server.
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:39 am
by Matt K
I had a horn that was labeled "Jenkins" that had a similar appearance and playing characteristics. No idea about its source either but thought worth mentioning on the off chance it helps some dots connect.
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 am
by BGuttman
Matt K wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:39 am
I had a horn that was labeled "Jenkins" that had a similar appearance and playing characteristics. No idea about its source either but thought worth mentioning on the off chance it helps some dots connect.
Did we fight a war for its ear?
(Don't worry, I'll let myself out ...)
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:58 am
by Kingfan
Matt K wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:39 am
I had a horn that was labeled "Jenkins" that had a similar appearance and playing characteristics. No idea about its source either but thought worth mentioning on the off chance it helps some dots connect.
From what I read J. W. Jenkins was a woodwind and brasswind manufacturer in the 1920s. Maybe a Hardell is a Jenkins stencil?
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:50 am
by JohnL
Kingfan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:58 amFrom what I read J. W. Jenkins was a woodwind and brasswind manufacturer in the 1920s. Maybe a Hardell is a Jenkins stencil?
Can you refer me to your source? All of the information I found is focused on their retail operation (which was quite pretty large at one time) and music publishing, with only a passing mention of their manufacturing operations (and then only to guitars and mandolins).
As a side note, I noticed that the various articles I found can't seem to agree on how many floors the building had - though I think that arises from the question of whether the mezzanine level counts as a "floor".
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:29 am
by Kingfan
JohnL wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:50 am
Kingfan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:58 amFrom what I read J. W. Jenkins was a woodwind and brasswind manufacturer in the 1920s. Maybe a Hardell is a Jenkins stencil?
Can you refer me to your source? All of the information I found is focused on their retail operation (which was quite pretty large at one time) and music publishing, with only a passing mention of their manufacturing operations (and then only to guitars and mandolins).
As a side note, I noticed that the various articles I found can't seem to agree on how many floors the building had - though I think that arises from the question of whether the mezzanine level counts as a "floor".
Happy to!
https://www.horn-u-copia.net/pubtrade.p ... y=Retailer
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:41 pm
by JohnL
I think that's an error on Kenton's part; you see Jenkins listed as a manufacturer in several places in the table, but only as a retailer for Cardinal (violin strings) - and that entry is replicated elsewhere in the table, but with Jenkins as a manufacturer.
From elsewhere on the Horn-u-Copia website:
https://www.horn-u-copia.net/Reference/ ... hisrec=349
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:54 am
by Matt K
Its also possible that its the reverse. Or that Hardell and Jenkins were, themselves, both stencils of something!
Re: Hardell USA Trombone
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:31 am
by JohnL
Matt K wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:54 am
Its also possible that its the reverse. Or that Hardell and Jenkins were, themselves, both stencils of something!
Pretty certain that both are private label stencils made somewhere in what is now the Czech Republic.