How do I keep the back of my tongue down when playing?
Whenever I cresc., the back of my tongue will automatically go up but if I force it down, I will lose the core of the sound.
Are there any exercises for this?
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:12 am
by Crazy4Tbone86
With my students, I use a lot of vowel sound manipulatives to alter tone quality. While playing a long tone, change the shape of your mouth and tongue to pronounce the long vowel sounds: A, E, I, O, U. It times time and experimentation to get good at it. I tell me students to exaggerate the vowels for maximum change. In particular, the E vowel should make the instrument sound very nasal like Kermit the Frog! Eventually, the O sound tends to be the most resonant (with the “core” you speak of). That can be your model for how your mouth should feel for a better sounding forte.
All of this is a major simplification of the process. I hope it can give you some ideas.
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:16 am
by harrisonreed
Why are you trying to keep the back of your tongue down? Your entire tongue shapes the rate and direction of the air.
Of course it varies depending on the register, and in the low range your tongue will be lower, but for most playing the tongue will be arched.
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:32 am
by baileyman
Mine only goes down as you describe for pedals.
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:22 am
by martinong
harrisonreed wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:16 am
Why are you trying to keep the back of your tongue down? Your entire tongue shapes the rate and direction of the air.
Of course it varies depending on the register, and in the low range your tongue will be lower, but for most playing the tongue will be arched.
Oh sorry, I didn’t specify. My tongue will arch when I’m playing in the low range. Mid to high I’m fine, it’s just for the lower register!
harrisonreed wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:16 am
Why are you trying to keep the back of your tongue down? Your entire tongue shapes the rate and direction of the air.
Of course it varies depending on the register, and in the low range your tongue will be lower, but for most playing the tongue will be arched.
Oh sorry, I didn’t specify. My tongue will arch when I’m playing in the low range. Mid to high I’m fine, it’s just for the lower register!
Do you have a teacher? Someone who can observe you in order to ascertain what exactly you are doing? Depending on a bunch of well-intentioned people interpreting what you think is happening is not efficient.
Do you have a teacher? Someone who can observe you in order to ascertain what exactly you are doing? Depending on a bunch of well-intentioned people interpreting what you think is happening is not efficient.
Yes I do. But he always told me to stop overthinking and use air..
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:45 pm
by martinong
Crazy4Tbone86 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:12 am
With my students, I use a lot of vowel sound manipulatives to alter tone quality. While playing a long tone, change the shape of your mouth and tongue to pronounce the long vowel sounds: A, E, I, O, U. It times time and experimentation to get good at it. I tell me students to exaggerate the vowels for maximum change. In particular, the E vowel should make the instrument sound very nasal like Kermit the Frog! Eventually, the O sound tends to be the most resonant (with the “core” you speak of). That can be your model for how your mouth should feel for a better sounding forte.
All of this is a major simplification of the process. I hope it can give you some ideas.
Yes I know about the O sound. I can do it for soft playing but once I get louder, in the low register, it will become an E sound
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:41 pm
by Doug Elliott
Sounds to me like you're losing stabiity in your chops and compensating that way to reduce the air. The tongue situation may be a symptom, not the actual problem.
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:59 pm
by martinong
Doug Elliott wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:41 pm
Sounds to me like you're losing stabiity in your chops and compensating that way to reduce the air. The tongue situation may be a symptom, not the actual problem.
I see.. how do I work on the stability in my chops?
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:14 pm
by Doug Elliott
I would have to see you play to give any valid advice.
Re: Back of the tongue
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:05 am
by martinong
Doug Elliott wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:14 pm
I would have to see you play to give any valid advice.
