Surprised to see that there's literarily no information anywhere on the internet (please forward me if I have missed it some corner) about Nils Landgren and potentially other trombone players water key solutions.
He describes it himself here:
He states that it's, quote "a piano thread running through here"
Has anyone on this forum tried to DIY this Yamaha implementation? Interested to learn what parts you bought if you don't mind sharing.
Much appreciated.
Re: Nils Landgren Trombone water key valve mod
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 3:12 pm
by Bonearzt
Thein uses that waterkey design.
Re: Nils Landgren Trombone water key valve mod
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 12:38 am
by noski
Bonearzt wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 3:12 pm
Thein uses that waterkey design.
I wonder where one could buy such parts though. For my plastic trombone I guess I could 3d print something but harder for my real Alto...
Re: Nils Landgren Trombone water key valve mod
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 6:16 am
by hornbuilder
Long waterkey mechanisms have been common in Germany for many, many years. They are not exclusive to one maker.
Re: Nils Landgren Trombone water key valve mod
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 8:10 am
by Matthias
My first teacher also has such a long water key on his Lätzsch trombones.
As an 8 year old beginner I was so fascinated by it that it was clear that I would need something like that later.
Later I had it retrofitted by Lätzsch.
A very thin tube is soldered onto the slide and a wire is pulled through it. If you then press the top, the flap opens at the bottom.
Re: Nils Landgren Trombone water key valve mod
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 1:04 pm
by noski
Matthias wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:10 am
My first teacher also has such a long water key on his Lätzsch trombones.
As an 8 year old beginner I was so fascinated by it that it was clear that I would need something like that later.
Later I had it retrofitted by Lätzsch.
A very thin tube is soldered onto the slide and a wire is pulled through it. If you then press the top, the flap opens at the bottom.
Might give it an order. I'm more so interested in doing a DYI here. I have some soldering experience and my trombone isn't all that expensive. I do see how taking it to a renowned brand like Lätzsch could garner a great result though.
Re: Nils Landgren Trombone water key valve mod
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 2:41 pm
by hornbuilder
That is not the same thing. That is a device where you drill a hole in the existing waterkey lever. The string is located on the cross brace. You pull on the string to open the key. It can work, but ..
Re: Nils Landgren Trombone water key valve mod
Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 5:34 pm
by noski
hornbuilder wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 2:41 pm
That is not the same thing. That is a device where you drill a hole in the existing waterkey lever. The string is located on the cross brace. You pull on the string to open the key. It can work, but ..
I see. Hmm. I wonder where you'd get the parts then. My search continues.
Re: Nils Landgren Trombone water key valve mod
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 8:22 am
by Bart
Listen to Matthew regarding the MTP/Seibold device!
Page 28 of the B&S spare parts catalogue has the parts, as used on their MS14 and MS27 trombones: