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Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:53 pm
by jackabel
Greetings. I haven't played in decades. Nor has my stepson. We've agreed to try to sell his lovely horn. It was bought new around 2005. It's a C.G. Conn F attachment 8.5" Rose bell with a serial number on the bell section in the vicinity of 820000 -- which doesn't make sense to me based on serial number listings I find on line which would date the horn back to 1960, so not sure what the heck. In any case, the horn is in overall lovely shape, although a black 'elastic' band on the f attachment has become brittle and will need replacement, plus the horn will need overall lubrication. I was able to play it successfully, and it has the original Conn mouthpiece -- having difficulty getting its numbers as the metal is tarnished. Might be CONN 65 AL-L. The slide section has two matching engravings, both L-1738, which I gather is just to confirm that the parts match (unless I'm mistaken).
Brand new to this forum and must be being dumb, but can't quite understand how to upload a pic -- maybe embed is the right word. Nonetheless, I of course do have a number of photos and would be happy to share them if you want to correspond. My personal email is jfa1123@gmail (with standard ending).
I/we would very much appreciate any identification, support, help on valuation, recommendations for next steps.
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:44 am
by CharlieB
Must identify the model of the trombone.
This will help:
https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnArticle22.html
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:08 am
by hyperbolica
That's probably a GenII 88h. Nice horn. In good shape it's probably in the $1500-1800 range. There are maybe a couple other things it could be, but 88h is the most likely given the description. Photos would be helpful. Use the "Attachments" tab below the Reply window to add an image.
The Derksen site might not be of much help, since that's primarily focused on the pre-1970 instruments.
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:54 am
by CalgaryTbone
The serial numbers get confusing on some of the newer Conns, because they basically started using a new system for them, and it basically re-uses old serial numbers. I think some of them use a space in between a couple of the numbers, and that will differentiate the new serial numbers from the old ones.
I agree with the previous post - sounds like an 88H from the early 2000's.
Jim Scott
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:28 pm
by KWL
hyperbolica wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:08 am
...Photos would be helpful. Use the "Attachments" tab below the Reply window to add an image...
I think jackabel needs to make a couple more posts before they are allowed to post photos.
Re: Help identifying and valuing
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 3:47 pm
by jackabel
Yes, thanks so much everyone. One of the moderators has offered to post a few photos for me, so they should be up later tonight. Also, a contact I have suggests that this might be an LE600, a Limited Edition that she called an 'intermediate' quality horn. I'll leave it to those of you who are much better informed than I to evaluate the proposed solution.
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:20 pm
by AtomicClock
I'm not a mod. But here are jackabel's pics.
Jason LE1.jpg
Jason LE2.jpg
Jason Serial No.jpg
Jason LE4.jpg
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:37 pm
by AtomicClock
jackabel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:53 pm
the horn is in overall lovely shape, although a black 'elastic' band on the f attachment has become brittle and will need replacement
That brittle band looks like packing material that should have been removed when the customer received the horn. Keeps the lock nut from scratching things as it slides around in the case. But since it looks like it's never been played, I guess there was no need to take it off.
Looks like an aftermarket Pro Pak case from the early '00s.
Does the rotor still turn, or has it seized?
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:23 am
by jackabel
So grateful for the informed help. Sadly, the thought of it being entirely unused seems likely exactly correct to me. A story there I won't share, but disappointing. Anyway, the case is original to the horn, as it is marked "Limited Edition" as well. So, most probable identification at this point is a 2004 or 2005 LE600 that is brand spanking new in its original case but needs first lubrications. The valve is not operating with an easy push and I haven't tried too hard. There's rotor oil in the pocket, which now makes perfect sense. As I once did play but am now so far from those days that it feels like I hardly remember, I'm going to find a local shop to get it lubricated and operational and then try to market it, probably on the Trombones group I see on Facebook. If someone wants to propose a price, or a different selling strategy, of course that would be welcome; if not, this dialogue has been just what I had hoped.
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:39 am
by hyperbolica
The LE600 was the predecessor to the 52h, which is a 0.547" bore basic pro instrument. It's probably a decent horn once you get it moving again. The bell bead looks a little heavy, so it probably doesn't play like an 88h.
viewtopic.php?t=10507
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:13 am
by Posaunus
If this is a predecessor to the Conn 52H, it may be 0.525"/0.547" dual bore.
https://www.connselmer.com/conn-artist- ... 37198404.p
There is a previous TC thread about the Conn "Limited Edition" trombone, that indicates it may be 0547" bore:
viewtopic.php?t=10507
In any case, even if the stepson acquired a new trombone and quit before he ever played it, he has left you with an essentially brand-new, decent-quality trombone that should be played. I strongly endorse your plan to have a good trombone tech set it up properly and sell it to someone who would enjoy it. I suggest you also list it for sale here on TromboneChat, where you might quickly find a buyer.
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:10 pm
by jackabel
I'll surely report back and again appreciate the wise counsel.
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:44 pm
by jackabel
I have gotten some updated information on this instrument and also had it serviced. It is in mint condition and I have listed it for sale on Reverb and also on a Facebook Trombones forum, but someone I think suggested one could perhaps also list it here. I don't easily see where that would best be done. Any counsel or direction most welcome.
The case had an "owner's manual" listing a set of trombone models that includes the 88H, which it seems to match the description of perfectly, but no "limited edition" variations of the 88H or any other models other than the CL valve which this is not. Also, the service tech confirmed this appears basically to have never really been played at all, and now to be in perfect working condition. The case, too, is spotless, and the mouthpiece perfectly restored.
So, while it may be the elusive LE600, our best guess is that is in fact an 88H, even though another person suggested 2005 might have been too early for that model -- the last proposal doesn't align sensibly with the user manual we found inside and our certain knowledge that this was purchased in 2005 (the graduation year of the family member it was bought for).
Thus, at the 88H level, Reverb proposed a price more in the $1850 category, and that's where we would likely go.
No desire to violate the protocols, intensions, or etiquette of this forum, just also wanting to find the right home for this lovely instrument. Thanks in advance.
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:33 pm
by BGuttman
You can post an ad in the Classified section on the Instruments and Parts sub-board. Remember to use the prefix FS (For Sale) in the title as well as the model (e.g. FS Conn 88H Gen II). Put the pictures in the listing. I'd move this thread, but there's an awful lot of discussion for the potential buyer to wade through. Get some idea from other postings in that Board.
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:41 pm
by jackabel
thanks will do!
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:44 pm
by elmsandr
jackabel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:44 pm
I have gotten some updated information on this instrument and also had it serviced. It is in mint condition and I have listed it for sale on Reverb and also on a Facebook Trombones forum, but someone I think suggested one could perhaps also list it here. I don't easily see where that would best be done. Any counsel or direction most welcome.
The case had an "owner's manual" listing a set of trombone models that includes the 88H, which it seems to match the description of perfectly, but no "limited edition" variations of the 88H or any other models other than the CL valve which this is not. Also, the service tech confirmed this appears basically to have never really been played at all, and now to be in perfect working condition. The case, too, is spotless, and the mouthpiece perfectly restored.
So, while it may be the elusive LE600, our best guess is that is in fact an 88H, even though another person suggested 2005 might have been too early for that model -- the last proposal doesn't align sensibly with the user manual we found inside and our certain knowledge that this was purchased in 2005 (the graduation year of the family member it was bought for).
Thus, at the 88H level, Reverb proposed a price more in the $1850 category, and that's where we would likely go.
No desire to violate the protocols, intensions, or etiquette of this forum, just also wanting to find the right home for this lovely instrument. Thanks in advance.
It is a lovely instrument, but it is NOT an 88H. Wrong valve wrap, tuning slide isn’t correct, and almost every vintage of 88H will say “88H” on it.
Good luck, but don’t list it as an 88H.
Andy
Re: Help identifying anvc valueing
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:06 pm
by jackabel
again, thanks... not sure why the manual inside the case doesn't fit the instrument but also trust your experience of course better than my own