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1949 King Liberty 2B
This trombone is a beauty and it's a collector's item!
serial # 302225,  built in 1949
slide is very good, especially for its age
7 3/8" bell, not dual bore
made in Ceveland Ohio by the HN White Co
excellent condition, beautiful lacquer, a few small dents in the bell and tuning slide
original case
Priced at $1990 plus shipping and handling
Contact me at [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] for questions and photos.

Looking to move this lovely vintage horn...Price is reduced to $1800!

Did you change the slide tubes to make it a single bore horn? Or are you saying that because the slide can be turned over and it fits?

If it's engraved "2B", it's dual bore. If it's not, then it's probably a "Liberty" and not dual bore.

It says Liberty on the Bell and above the design it says 2-B.  And yes, the slide does reverse, so I am sure it is not dual bore.  Let me know if you would like to see photos of the trombone.  You will get the quickest reply if you email me at [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url].

Quote from: msdebrataylor on Aug 16, 2017, 07:40PMIt says Liberty on the Bell and above the design it says 2-B.  And yes, the slide does reverse, so I am sure it is not dual bore.  Let me know if you would like to see photos of the trombone.  You will get the quickest reply if you email me at [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url].

On King dual bores, the slide will still reverse. The tubing on the upper stocking is thicker. Check by inserting the mouthpiece gently into the end of each slide inner to see if it goes further into the lower one.

Gotta say--the price seems pretty far out of the ballpark. They tend to be selling on Ebay for between $500 and $800.

My eBay searches on King 2B trombones came up with a price range of $1850-2,000 for horns from the 50's and 60's.  This horn was made in 1949. 

Liberty trombone are more rare. The only one I could find on eBay was priced at $1850 and was made in 1960. 

As for dual bore or not, I can say that the slide moves smoothly with the stockings reversed.  And the slide is super smooth in the correct orientation!

Those around $2000 usually are Silver Sonics with sterling silver bell.

Quote from: msdebrataylor on Aug 18, 2017, 06:40AMMy eBay searches on King 2B trombones came up with a price range of $1850-2,000 for horns from the 50's and 60's.  This horn was made in 1949. 

Liberty trombone are more rare. The only one I could find on eBay was priced at $1850 and was made in 1960. 

As for dual bore or not, I can say that the slide moves smoothly with the stockings reversed.  And the slide is super smooth in the correct orientation!

The trick on Ebay is to look at "sold" listings, not current listings. Ebay is haunted by people looking for that one great deal. They leave items up for months or even years, hoping someone will bid at their inflated price.

Here's a link to sold listings of King Liberty 2Bs.  https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=king%20liberty%202b%20trombone&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

The highest any of them went for was $1085, and that horn was near mint. Plus you get a much higher price on Ebay because you have a larger potential market.

Prices for Liberty 2Bs in sold  listings:

$475, $501, $630, $760, $1085, $700, $700.

Thanks for your input.  The age of the horn matters to people, oder, great-sounding instruments being worth more.

I sold my non-dual bore 1935 Liberty for $425...lacquer was old, but it played well. Seemed to be the going price. 2Bs aren't that rare,either... I'd agree with Euph on the pricing. Good luck though!

The 2B series were  dual bore horns. Yes the slide will go  on upside down but that is because King soldered one stocking on and the other was drawn in the inner tube. So the slide on 2B's are reversible. You would have to get some calipers and measure the inner diameter of both stockings. It was a common modification to make them single bore. The "Jiggs" horn is single bore but it was designed that way.

If its dual I may well be interested!

j

[    ITS  OUTTA  THE  PARK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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On King dual bores, the slide will still reverse. The tubing on the upper stocking is thicker. Check by inserting the mouthpiece gently into the end of each slide inner to see if it goes further into the lower one.

Gotta say--the price seems pretty far out of the ballpark. They tend to be selling on Ebay for between $500 and $800.
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2  B     --ACTUALLY THE 2  STOOD FOR  TWO  DUO  DUAL
----------there are also  larger  bore  kings  marked  2b  as well as  the standard 481///491   
-------the  mouthpiece side has a  bore of  481 
        ''   bell   receiver  side  has  a  491   bore
   the  stockings  are the same  size  however a close  examination and  calipers or  micrometer  might convince even the hadiet  skeptic  and unbeliever  that
   OH  MY THE  TUBES  ARE  DIFFERENT SIZE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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   OTHER  DUO    BORE     TROMBONES  ////OLDS [AMBASSADOR-SPECIAL STUDIO-RECORDING-STANDARD  BEAR-RADIO  ETC
                                         BACH 16 [AND  RARE LESS KNOWN MODELS] 
                                         OTHER  KINGS
                  USUALLY HAVE  SMALLER   W MATCHING OUTER ////LARGER  W MATCHING OUTER  ===NON  FLIP FLOP
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you  might   get 1800   for it especially  if you insist  it is  non   duo  bore  --it is  possible  IF  THE UPPER INNER HAS  BEEN SWAPPED  OUT  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PROVENANCE      IS  A  PRICE BOOSTER ALSO  --CONNECTIONS WITH  A FAMOUS PLAYER OR  PLAYERS   [HISTORY  DOCUMENTATION ETC   CAN ADD THOUSANDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    the   current  king legend  JIGGS  is  a  straight  bore  !!!!!!!!!!!!!491//491 
    players   have  ordered  custom kings  direct  from the factory  for quite  a while 
    and 2b   came with   different specs   gooseneck leadpipe  sleeves  spit key     engraving  and case  options
    so  please  have  your  2b  inners  measured  above    the stockings  --
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I have a 1938 King 2B Liberty I bought for $500 you might wanna lower that price

Belated reply to jnoxon:
I will be able to get the actual bore sizes to you on Wednesday.  I can take the 2B to a local music store, where the brass guy will measure them for me.
But to be sure, are you still interested if the Liberty 2B is dual bore?

 


Quote from: msdebrataylor on Aug 28, 2017, 10:57AMBelated reply to jnoxon:
I will be able to get the actual bore sizes to you on Wednesday.  I can take the 2B to a local music store, where the brass guy will measure them for me.
But to be sure, are you still interested if the Liberty 2B is dual bore?

Price on this is very negotiable.  If you need to know whether or not it is dual bore, let me know.  I can take it to a local music store to have the bore sizes measured.

You can measure them yourself. Insert the mouthpiece into the end of each slide tube until it barely settles in...no force. If it goes in further on the bottom, it's dual bore.

Okay...it is dual bore!  I put a mouthpiece in both inner slides at the top, and out of curiosity, at the bottom of the stockings.  The bottom slide is larger at both ends of the inner slide.

everybody  tried  to tell  you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
but  you wouldnt  listen 
had to figure it  out for  yourself 
  
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trombonists   are  sometimes  hard headed  --it helps  deal  w  the  slide 
  saxaphone   big deal /trumpet  //FINGER FLIPPERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  well  if you  see an older 2b  the  stocking  is  a distinct  part  soldered to the  inner  on upper side
  while  the lower  inner is  double  drawn in normal  fashion
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Quote from: msdebrataylor on Aug 30, 2017, 08:59PMOkay...it is dual bore!  I put a mouthpiece in both inner slides at the top, and out of curiosity, at the bottom of the stockings.  The bottom slide is larger at both ends of the inner slide.

Reducing price once again, to $1,000!