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In the Arban's for trombone, in the second chromatic scale, it says to play the B natural 3 in b2? Is that lipping up or on a F attachment trombone?

I don't know what "B natural 3" is, but if it's the second line in the staff B, then with an F trigger it's played in a flat second.

Number 2 in the chromatic scales section (page 80 in Randall/Mantia; page 88 in Alessi/Bowman) does not have that B natural; it has the one at the top of the bass clef staff. Technically, you could also play that one in flat second. But no one ever does.
Neither of those editions has a b2 marking.

There is no "lipping up" anywhere in any Arban's.

Here is a photo of what I am talking about.

That's intended for an F attachment. Just play it in 7th; the only way you can.

AtomicClock wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:20 pm That's intended for an F attachment. Just play it in 7th; the only way you can.

Thanks. I meant B2, I think, not B3?

Thom wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:25 pm

AtomicClock wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:20 pm That's intended for an F attachment. Just play it in 7th; the only way you can.

Thanks. I meant B2, I think, not B3?

Yes, that note is B2. The number changes with C. is C3 while is C4. B3 is

Which Arban's are you using? Your #2 is my #1. Your #3 is (probably) my #4.
Just curious.

This one.

Thom wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:08 pmThis one.

BTW, Alan Raph was a first call studio bass trombonist, trombonist, and tubist, in New York City until 2023. His father, Ted Raph, was a New Orleans Jazz, ( What used to be called Dixieland Jazz.), trombonist in the 1920's and 1930's.

Thom wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:15 pm Here is a photo of what I am talking about.

The "V" above the note is commonly used to indicate "valve".

I guess I now need to specify the edition differently. Randall/Mantia/(but not Raph) is different from Randall/Mantia/Raph.

Like dbwhitaker said, the v stands for valve. That note is played in flat or extended 2 with the valve.

If you have a valve it is useful to also be able to play a chromatic scale without using it.

The f-attachement is a great tool but it can become a crutch. Young players often can't accurately place their slides in 6th or 7th positions because they over rely on the valve.

AtomicClock wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:58 am I guess I now need to specify the edition differently. Randall/Mantia/(but not Raph) is different from Randall/Mantia/Raph.

I believe that is right

chouston3 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:07 am Like dbwhitaker said, the v stands for valve. That note is played in flat or extended 2 with the valve.

If you have a valve it is useful to also be able to play a chromatic scale without using it.

The f-attachement is a great tool but it can become a crutch. Young players often can't accurately place their slides in 6th or 7th positions because they over rely on the valve.

I played bass bone as a tuba player in HS, US Army Bands, Jr. College/College Bands, and Community Jazz Bands for many years. I started playing bass bone on a large bore tenor Olds with F attachment, later my folks got me the dependent Yamaha YBB-622R I think that is the correct model number, though I am not sure, it was a long time ago Being valve dependent was my biggest mistake in those days. I am playing the straight small bore and basically starting over with a really good online instructor.