Conn removeable leadpipes.

[stewbones43]

I am currently using an SL 4747 slide on my 88H and, of the 3 leadpipes that came with it, I prefer the R version. Unfortunately, none of my mouthpieces fit the Remington designed receiver on this pipe.
Does anyone make a Remington sized leadpipe with a standard Morse tapered receiver?

Cheers

Stewbones43

[tbonesullivan]

Just curious, but what mouthpiece are you using with the leadpipe if it isn't a remington taper mouthpiece? Also, are you sure there is much of a difference between the S and R pipes? I

[stewbones43]

Depending on the music to be played, I usually use a DE LT100G8 for 1st trombone and a DE LT102H8 for 2nd. However, there are times when I use an Henri Selmer, Paris 44 size 4 for high 1st trombone parts and I sometimes use a Stomvi Combi-System 4 on 2nd. These (and my other 4 large shank mouthpieces) are all standard Morse taper shank pieces so they do not seat correctly in the R leadpipe, hence my original question. I have had the set of pipes for a couple of years now and have tried them in various combinations and situations.

The choice of S, M or R also raises another question. According to a May/1999 leaflet about the Conn 88H GEN 2, the lead pipes are shown as being 8 inches in length for the S and the R and 8.75 inches for the M. However, my S is 8 inches, my M is 8.8 inches (near enough to 8.75 inches) but my R is 9.7 inches. I am confused by this and would be grateful if anyone could measure their leadpipes to compare.

I use the R because i find it has a sound which I prefer, whereas the M and S pipes can be a little brighter than i try for.

Just to put things into context, I am 81 years old and have been playing trombone for 75 years. I have recently started to wear hearing aids after a few years of deteriorating hearing loss. I now hear things much more clearly and am noticing things about my sound that I didn't hear before!

Any help with these questions would be most gratefully welcomed.

Cheers

Stewbones43

[UATrombone]

Your R is TOO long...
My R pipe is 20.2 cm./7.95", M is 21.6 cm./8.5".
Can't find my S pipe.

[CalgaryTbone]

Get a Conn-sized shank from Doug Elliott. The R leadpipes are intended to mimic the old Conn (Remington) taper for the receiver of the Elkhart Conn large bore horns. Since you're playing DE mouthpieces, all you need are shanks made to fit that taper. You'll need one for each of the cups you mentioned, and I'd suggest keeping the shanks you have in case you ever need to play on something other than a Conn with that leadpipe sometime (horn in the shop, etc.).

Jim Scott

[Soulbrass]

Email sent...

[tbonesullivan]

Yeah... leadpipes don't always match the spec. I'm not entirely sure how they are made by Conn, but these should be pairs of BB, ML, and MO leadpipes from Kanstul. The BB pipes are the same length, but the MO and ML, definitely not. You may want to see if there is actually any taper for the last inch of pipe.

[UATrombone]

I use the R because i find it has a sound which I prefer, whereas the M and S pipes can be a little brighter than i try for.

Cheers

Stewbones43

Maybe, you prefer R sound because it is longer or because of "incorrect" (Morse) shank of your mouthpiece...
IMO best way to check this is to get DE Conn shank for your mouthpiece and compare sound with your Morse shank.

[stewbones43]

Thanks for the suggestions but, much as I like Doug Elliott mouthpieces (I use them on Bass, large bore Tenor, small bore Tenor and Alto) two will cost me $160 + postage to UK, whereas one leadpipe might be less money. Also it doesn't solve the problem of using my non-DE mouthpieces with the R leadpipe.

Cheers

Stewbones43