Voight J188FX

JCBone · Post by **JCBone** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:49 pm

https://shop.voigt-brass.de/MEISTERINST ... 88-FX.html

Has anybody ever tried this? The valve design is very strange. I don't think Iv'e ever seen anything like this. Seems like it would be a lot less freeblowing then a more traditionally- designed instrument.

Posaunus · Post by **Posaunus** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:56 pm

JCBone wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:49 pm https://shop.voigt-brass.de/MEISTERINST ... 88-FX.html
Seems like it would be a lot less freeblowing then a more traditionally- designed instrument.

Probably not. I'll bet it plays very well. And it looks great!

Burgerbob · Post by **Burgerbob** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:01 pm

That's a big rotor. Probably plays nice and open.

JCBone · Post by **JCBone** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:06 pm

Well I was talking about how the bends in to the middle.

Peacemate · Post by **Peacemate** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:15 pm

The valve is probably open enough to make up for those pretty large radius bends. They definitely don't look tighter than a closed wraps bends.

Burgerbob · Post by **Burgerbob** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:37 pm

Not any more tight than something like the U bends on a Greenhoe, which play great (with a smaller rotor to boot).

I think the lesson here is that it's easy to attribute open looking things with open playing things. Just like the popular opinion that silver plated instruments are brighter... because they look brighter.

Post by **BGuttman** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:03 pm

Notice also that the tubing right by the valve does not have a "knuckle". This could make the blow much more open.

Interesting design. I like it.

Kbiggs · Post by **Kbiggs** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:04 pm

Looks like the old Thein Star valves:

https://thein-blechblasinstrumente.de/0 ... hp?lang=en

Posaunus · Post by **Posaunus** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:25 pm

Kbiggs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:04 pm Looks like the old Thein Star valves:

https://thein-blechblasinstrumente.de/0 ... hp?lang=en

Could be essentially the same valve.

harrisonreed · Post by **harrisonreed** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:40 pm

Yeah the bend is so subtle and spread over a distance. What an idea!

Basbasun · Post by **Basbasun** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:26 am

The horn look really nice. I tested lots of Voight horns years ago, they do make wonderful horns.

Basbasun · Post by **Basbasun** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:31 am

Posaunus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:25 pm
Kbiggs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:04 pm Looks like the old Thein Star valves:

https://thein-blechblasinstrumente.de/0 ... hp?lang=en
Could be essentially the same valve.

They do not the same though.

marccromme · Post by **marccromme** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:17 pm

Similar design in the Bach Artisan series, except the X wrap, smooth bendings, large rotor, big ears. Seems this is the new accepted design.

X wrap actually costs a half circle more in bend than the King, Conn or Artisan wrap.

And yes, I never understood why the Greenhorn design does everything right except for the rather small radius U bend.

Could easily be avoided ...

https://www.bachbrass.com/instruments/t ... -trombone/

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