Conn 60H in C?

[Arvopart17]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-C-G-Co ... 632-2357-0

So this is obviously not a 60H bass as the listing says. Looks like it’s in C with a Bb valve. Not a lot of info online about it that I could find just a few pictures.

Is that valve static, meaning not really something you move while playing- I don’t see a lever. Do you basically set it according to the song and forget it?

The bell looks tiny in the one pic with the sellers hand in it, is it sub 7”?

Price seems exorbitant . Just something interesting I saw.

[hornbuilder]

This was the "Preacher Model". Designed so you could read treble clef parts at church on Sunday, without transposing.

[BGuttman]

This is not a bass trombone. It is the Conn "Preacher" model in C and Bb. The valve is called a "stillventil" meaning it is set one way or another and is not changed during play. Here is something from the Conn Loyalist:

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn60H1914image.html

It's a rare instrument, but the price he's asking is beyond ridiculous.

[walldaja]

Pricey and misidentified.

[Posaunus]

The seller (apparently a pawn shop) has no idea what they're selling.
As Bruce noted, the "Buy It Now" price for this Preacher is ridiculously high.
Looking at the seller's "other items" they are also very optimistically priced.
Caveat emptor!

[Arvopart17]

Totally agree, won’t be bidding on this. Looks like it’s in pretty decent shape. .458 bore, that’s nuts. Thanks for the info!

[dxhall]

I’m not sure I understand how this kind of horn would work. The link says that the valve “allowed trombone players reading in treble clef to play from concert-C parts without transposing.” So suppose I’m playing a treble clef part with the valve engaged, and there’s a middle ‘c’ on the page. In what position would I play it?

[hornbuilder]

With the valve disengaged, that middle C is in 1st position. Since the instrument is pitched in C. With the valve engaged, the middle C is in 3rd, since the instrument is pitched in Bb.

[BGuttman]

I’m not sure I understand how this kind of horn would work. The link says that the valve “allowed trombone players reading in treble clef to play from concert-C parts without transposing.” So suppose I’m playing a treble clef part with the valve engaged, and there’s a middle ‘c’ on the page. In what position would I play it?

It really relates to players using transposed treble clef fingerings (much more common 100 years ago). If you were playing transposed treble, the notes look like tenor clef (i.e. one ledger line below the staff is Bb in 1st position). In transposed treble this note is C. With the valve switched to the alternate position (bypassing the extra loop) the trombone is now in C. If you were to use the same fingerings as you used for transposed treble you would now not be transposing.

If you think I am speaking fluent Nepali, don't worry. It really doesn't apply to you.

There used to be a number of different "preacher" instruments, including trumpets in C, saxophones in C (called C Melody), Baritone Horns in C (now mostly used in Latin Bands), clarinets in C. Of course flutes and oboes are normally in C and don't transpose.