Yamaha YSL-893ZD Nils Landgren Model

[lmalewic]

Hello all,
Since Yamaha only made 10 of these for the European market they are all sold. I’m wondering if anyone here from Europe either purchased or knows someone who purchased one. I’d love to know how the horn plays.

[Haybone]

Brass specialisten in Sweden have one for sale.

[HermanGerman]

https://www.fmb-direkt.de/yamaha-posaun ... ed-edition


I fear they will be bought by rich fan boys as an investment (that will fail) not by "serious" trombone players.
The price is very high.

[harrisonreed]

https://www.fmb-direkt.de/yamaha-posaun ... ed-edition


I fear they will be bought by rich fan boys as an investment (that will fail) not by "serious" trombone players.
The price is very high.

At least it's not the €6000 825 model! Yamaha is getting pretty aggressive with their pricing.

[MStarke]

https://www.fmb-direkt.de/yamaha-posaun ... ed-edition


I fear they will be bought by rich fan boys as an investment (that will fail) not by "serious" trombone players.
The price is very high.

Which is not necessarily a bad thing, right? It's obviously just a marketing initiative, not a real revenue- or even profit-oriented offering. Certainly raising visibility for their overall offering.

[Matt K]

Very likely they're (at least) collectors rather than investors. Lots of people buy things that don't necessarily have a positive ROI. I'm not sure anyone is buying new trombones purely as a speculative investment. Maybe you could argue that about Elkhart Conns and Mt. Vernon Bachs. But they aren't outpacing the S&P 500 in terms of value.

[elmsandr]

Very likely they're (at least) collectors rather than investors. Lots of people buy things that don't necessarily have a positive ROI. I'm not sure anyone is buying new trombones purely as a speculative investment. Maybe you could argue that about Elkhart Conns and Mt. Vernon Bachs. But they aren't outpacing the S&P 500 in terms of value.

Heck, most of my vintage horns are barely beating inflation, let alone any index for value.

These are a marketing device. And with two separate threads here, they seem to be working.

Cheers,
Andy

[lmalewic]

That’s a bit of a bigger price than what was for sale at Thomann. I was told that price fixing is prohibited so anyone can charge whatever they want and because of it prices vary a lot by country in Europe. I believe Thomann was $3600. Still expensive but more manageable. Hopefully someone here has bought one.

[brtnats]

Any (serious) ideas why they don’t bring this model to actual market? We ogle the 356R and variants enough that there’s surely a decent market for Landgren’s model. Heck, I’d buy one.

[HermanGerman]

You are invited to buy it at FMB in Germany! It is a regular brass shop...

[Matt K]

Any (serious) ideas why they don’t bring this model to actual market? We ogle the 356R and variants enough that there’s surely a decent market for Landgren’s model. Heck, I’d buy one.

I think we overestimate our market influence here

That said, Yamaha does seem to, at least, pay lip service to being open to things so mentioning it to sales reps at conventions and stuff it may come to fruition.

Maybe they're planning on introducing it to the market soon though and this was just a way of gauging if they should make it available. Normally it seems they mass produce artist horns, so I am a little confused by the extreme limited quantities of this. I presume Nils was happy with the result, since he has his name on it even in such limited quantities. Who knows.

[tingvaldsen]

I have ordered one, so I can share some more insights when it arrive.

[lmalewic]

I have ordered one, so I can share some more insights when it arrive.

Great! Please let us know.

[imsevimse]

The Yamaha YSL-892ZX is another horn they made as a prototype, a .509 bore with f-attatchement, made on request of Swedish trombone player Håkan Björkman. I know they have made at least six of them that they shipped here to Sweden. Except from the one Håkan uses and the one I own I also know one of the other buyers. It's a very versatile horn. Much better than a King3B/F in my opinion. It did apparantly not caught enough interest to be included in their official catalog. I'm a bit disappointed the model number isn't on the horn either, it is on the receipt. I guess if they do not make it official in a couple of years my horn will be considered to be just another Frankenbone, but a good one

The YSL-893ZD they had in ""Brasspecialisten" in Stockholm appears to have been sold now.

/Tom

[bassclef]

The Yamaha YSL-892ZX is another horn they made as a prototype, a .509 bore with f-attatchement, made on request of Swedish trombone player Håkan Björkman. I know they have made at least six of them that they shipped here to Sweden. Except from the one Håkan uses and the one I own I also know one of the other buyers. It's a very versatile horn. Much better than a King3B/F in my opinion. It did apparantly not caught enough interest to be included in their official catalog. I'm a bit disappointed the model number isn't on the horn either, it is on the receipt. I guess if they do not make it official in a couple of years my horn will be considered to be just another Frankenbone, but a good one

The YSL-893ZD they had in ""Brasspecialisten" in Stockholm appears to have been sold now.

/Tom

I remember when you posted about that 892ZX a while back. Man, I really want one of those. I think it could be an even better tool for a lot of the jobs for which I currently use a YSL-640.

[HermanGerman]

Yamaha build some very nice horns and I have a great 683 for small ensembles. But to say they are "better" than a King XY is a bad idea.
For me there may be horns with better response (a tad maybe) and better in tune or a smoother slide. But a King is a KIng and it sounds like a KIng and not like a Yamaha or Edwards or Shires an so on.
If you like this sound and grew up with that sound a Yamaha won´t be better. I never owned a Yamaha that came even near the qualities I like from small or medium bore trombones like an older 2B or 3B or Conn 6H etc..
"Much better" is the wrong word to describe a trombone.
When I hear Jay Jay on his King, Rosolino with his 6H, Watrous on a Bach I come to the conclusion that it is quite nice to have so much options today. Just try the XO 1634R, a terrific .508 horn!
But the good old horns did and do a very job, and sometimes even a "better" one!

[imsevimse]

Yamaha build some very nice horns and I have a great 683 for small ensembles. But to say they are "better" than a King XY is a bad idea.
For me there may be horns with better response (a tad maybe) and better in tune or a smoother slide. But a King is a KIng and it sounds like a KIng and not like a Yamaha or Edwards or Shires an so on.
If you like this sound and grew up with that sound a Yamaha won´t be better. I never owned a Yamaha that came even near the qualities I like from small or medium bore trombones like an older 2B or 3B or Conn 6H etc..
"Much better" is the wrong word to describe a trombone.
When I hear Jay Jay on his King, Rosolino with his 6H, Watrous on a Bach I come to the conclusion that it is quite nice to have so much options today. Just try the XO 1634R, a terrific .508 horn!
But the good old horns did and do a very job, and sometimes even a "better" one!

I agree that weather a trombone model is "a better" or not is hopeless but as I said "It's a very versatile horn. Much better than a King3B/F in my opinion" is another thing because I said it is my opinion and it is specifically about flexibility where it can be used.

I do have a King 3B/f that I bought about six years ago. It is a good horn. My first horn to be my own in the late 70-ies was also a King 3B/F. I played that horn a lot for jazz.

The difference is for me in term of versatility, that's why I think it is the better horn. It is used professionally by Andy Martin and Wycliffe Gordon for jazz as well as Håkan Björkman who is the principal of the Swedish Radio Symphony orchestra but then for classical work in a symphony orchestra and also for solo work. I have a record named "Selections" where Håkan Björkman plays The Ballade by F. Martin and a lot of other classical pieces. That record in itself is a proof of how versatile that horn (YSL-892ZX) can be. I use my horn for both jazz and classic and it can be "stretched" to a lot of things soundwise. You may just need a mouthpiece change.
To me a King 3B/F plays a lot more towards jazz and can in classical settings be a bit harsh. It is something about the King sound that to me just does not work quite as well for me in classical settings. The YSL-892ZX is .509 bore but can play bigger than one thinks. Your impressions may vary of course, but that's me.

/Tom