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WilliamLang · Post by **WilliamLang** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:42 pm

Hey friends,

Got a contact with a horn - interesting neck on it, definitely a King/White horn. Any other info from y'all?

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Post by **BGuttman** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:30 pm

Looks like an older Symphony. It should be dual bore: 0.536/0.547 (inches) and take a small shank mouthpiece.

JohnL · Post by **JohnL** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:50 pm

Based on the valve orientation and the wrap, I'm thinking late 1940's into the 1950's.

Burgerbob · Post by **Burgerbob** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:00 am

BGuttman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:30 pm Looks like an older Symphony. It should be dual bore: 0.536/0.547 (inches) and take a small shank mouthpiece.

The one I've played was large shank.

afugate · Post by **afugate** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:20 am

BGuttman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:30 pm Looks like an older Symphony. It should be dual bore: 0.536/0.547 (inches) and take a small shank mouthpiece.

That was my initial thought as well. It looks like my 0.536/0.547 bore Symphony.

--Andy in OKC

Post by **BGuttman** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:59 am

Burgerbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:00 am
BGuttman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:30 pm Looks like an older Symphony. It should be dual bore: 0.536/0.547 (inches) and take a small shank mouthpiece.
The one I've played was large shank.

I played one in High School that took a small shank. Also had the valve mounted "upside down" with the mechanism against my chin.

WilliamLang · Post by **WilliamLang** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:15 pm

thanks all! learned a bunch here and much appreciated

Finetales · Post by **Finetales** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:26 pm

Looks just like the 1480 Symphony I used to own. Large shank...actually maybe a bit larger than large shank as my large shank pieces went very far in, like my Remington-shank Conns. Really a small bass, despite what the bore size would seem to indicate. Mine had a 9" bell, what's the diameter on this one?

greenbean · Post by **greenbean** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:27 pm

The wrap on this one is also different than other 1480's. King used at least two styles of wrap. I think King was experimenting a lot during these years. Maybe they weren't satisfied with this model. They were several variants of this horn.

The one above appears to have been re-lacquered at some point.

greenbean · Post by **greenbean** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:31 pm

In fact, I am remembering just now that the first 1480 I picked up about 5 years ago had a *small shank* mouthpiece receiver! It had been a school horn and I assumed that it was a customization, but perhaps it was a factory option. Though I would be surprised if that were the case.

I might still have that slide. It was pretty trashed and I think I saved it for parts.

JohnL · Post by **JohnL** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:28 pm

Absent the silver bell, it looks to be a twin to my late 1940's 1485. .536"/.546" slide with a King large shank receiver (neither standard Morse nor Conn-Remington). 9" bell with a large throat; the f-attachment bore is around .562". It has a tenon nut but not a slide lock.

I've seen an earlier version with the valve flipped the other way 'round and no tenon nut, and a later version with a slightly different wrap and a slide lock.e

Despite any superficial resemblance, it's a very different horn from the 4BF and the 4B-based 5B.

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