1949 King Liberty 2B

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:00 pm

1949 King Liberty 2B
This trombone is a beauty and it's a collector's item!
serial # 302225, built in 1949
slide is very good, especially for its age
7 3/8" bell, not dual bore
made in Ceveland Ohio by the HN White Co
excellent condition, beautiful lacquer, a few small dents in the bell and tuning slide
original case
Priced at $1990 plus shipping and handling
Contact me at [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] for questions and photos.

ttf_msdebrataylor · Post by **ttf_msdebrataylor** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:10 pm

Looking to move this lovely vintage horn...Price is reduced to $1800!

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:41 pm

Did you change the slide tubes to make it a single bore horn? Or are you saying that because the slide can be turned over and it fits?

ttf_Stretch Longarm · Post by **ttf_Stretch Longarm** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:30 pm

If it's engraved "2B", it's dual bore. If it's not, then it's probably a "Liberty" and not dual bore.

ttf_msdebrataylor · Post by **ttf_msdebrataylor** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:40 pm

It says Liberty on the Bell and above the design it says 2-B. And yes, the slide does reverse, so I am sure it is not dual bore. Let me know if you would like to see photos of the trombone. You will get the quickest reply if you email me at [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url].

ttf_Euphanasia · Post by **ttf_Euphanasia** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:16 pm

Quote from: msdebrataylor on Aug 16, 2017, 07:40PMIt says Liberty on the Bell and above the design it says 2-B. And yes, the slide does reverse, so I am sure it is not dual bore. Let me know if you would like to see photos of the trombone. You will get the quickest reply if you email me at [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url].

On King dual bores, the slide will still reverse. The tubing on the upper stocking is thicker. Check by inserting the mouthpiece gently into the end of each slide inner to see if it goes further into the lower one.

Gotta say--the price seems pretty far out of the ballpark. They tend to be selling on Ebay for between $500 and $800.

ttf_msdebrataylor · Post by **ttf_msdebrataylor** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:40 am

My eBay searches on King 2B trombones came up with a price range of $1850-2,000 for horns from the 50's and 60's. This horn was made in 1949.

Liberty trombone are more rare. The only one I could find on eBay was priced at $1850 and was made in 1960.

As for dual bore or not, I can say that the slide moves smoothly with the stockings reversed. And the slide is super smooth in the correct orientation!

ttf_oslide · Post by **ttf_oslide** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:36 am

Those around $2000 usually are Silver Sonics with sterling silver bell.

ttf_Euphanasia · Post by **ttf_Euphanasia** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:49 am

Quote from: msdebrataylor on Aug 18, 2017, 06:40AMMy eBay searches on King 2B trombones came up with a price range of $1850-2,000 for horns from the 50's and 60's. This horn was made in 1949.

Liberty trombone are more rare. The only one I could find on eBay was priced at $1850 and was made in 1960.

As for dual bore or not, I can say that the slide moves smoothly with the stockings reversed. And the slide is super smooth in the correct orientation!

The trick on Ebay is to look at "sold" listings, not current listings. Ebay is haunted by people looking for that one great deal. They leave items up for months or even years, hoping someone will bid at their inflated price.

Here's a link to sold listings of King Liberty 2Bs. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=king%20liberty%202b%20trombone&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

The highest any of them went for was $1085, and that horn was near mint. Plus you get a much higher price on Ebay because you have a larger potential market.

Prices for Liberty 2Bs in sold listings:

$475, $501, $630, $760, $1085, $700, $700.

ttf_msdebrataylor · Post by **ttf_msdebrataylor** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:33 pm

Thanks for your input. The age of the horn matters to people, oder, great-sounding instruments being worth more.

ttf_Stretch Longarm · Post by **ttf_Stretch Longarm** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:30 pm

I sold my non-dual bore 1935 Liberty for $425...lacquer was old, but it played well. Seemed to be the going price. 2Bs aren't that rare,either... I'd agree with Euph on the pricing. Good luck though!

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:36 pm

The 2B series were dual bore horns. Yes the slide will go on upside down but that is because King soldered one stocking on and the other was drawn in the inner tube. So the slide on 2B's are reversible. You would have to get some calipers and measure the inner diameter of both stockings. It was a common modification to make them single bore. The "Jiggs" horn is single bore but it was designed that way.

If its dual I may well be interested!

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ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:30 pm

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ITS OUTTA THE PARK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On King dual bores, the slide will still reverse. The tubing on the upper stocking is thicker. Check by inserting the mouthpiece gently into the end of each slide inner to see if it goes further into the lower one.

Gotta say--the price seems pretty far out of the ballpark. They tend to be selling on Ebay for between $500 and $800.
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ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:51 pm

2 B --ACTUALLY THE 2 STOOD FOR TWO DUO DUAL
----------there are also larger bore kings marked 2b as well as the standard 481///491
-------the mouthpiece side has a bore of 481
'' bell receiver side has a 491 bore
the stockings are the same size however a close examination and calipers or micrometer might convince even the hadiet skeptic and unbeliever that
OH MY THE TUBES ARE DIFFERENT SIZE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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OTHER DUO BORE TROMBONES ////OLDS [AMBASSADOR-SPECIAL STUDIO-RECORDING-STANDARD BEAR-RADIO ETC
BACH 16 [AND RARE LESS KNOWN MODELS]
OTHER KINGS
USUALLY HAVE SMALLER W MATCHING OUTER ////LARGER W MATCHING OUTER ===NON FLIP FLOP
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you might get 1800 for it especially if you insist it is non duo bore --it is possible IF THE UPPER INNER HAS BEEN SWAPPED OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PROVENANCE IS A PRICE BOOSTER ALSO --CONNECTIONS WITH A FAMOUS PLAYER OR PLAYERS [HISTORY DOCUMENTATION ETC CAN ADD THOUSANDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the current king legend JIGGS is a straight bore !!!!!!!!!!!!!491//491
players have ordered custom kings direct from the factory for quite a while
and 2b came with different specs gooseneck leadpipe sleeves spit key engraving and case options
so please have your 2b inners measured above the stockings --
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ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:44 am

I have a 1938 King 2B Liberty I bought for $500 you might wanna lower that price

ttf_msdebrataylor · Post by **ttf_msdebrataylor** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:57 am

Belated reply to jnoxon:
I will be able to get the actual bore sizes to you on Wednesday. I can take the 2B to a local music store, where the brass guy will measure them for me.
But to be sure, are you still interested if the Liberty 2B is dual bore?

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:44 pm

Quote from: msdebrataylor on Aug 28, 2017, 10:57AMBelated reply to jnoxon:
I will be able to get the actual bore sizes to you on Wednesday. I can take the 2B to a local music store, where the brass guy will measure them for me.
But to be sure, are you still interested if the Liberty 2B is dual bore?

ttf_msdebrataylor · Post by **ttf_msdebrataylor** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:49 am

Price on this is very negotiable. If you need to know whether or not it is dual bore, let me know. I can take it to a local music store to have the bore sizes measured.

ttf_Euphanasia · Post by **ttf_Euphanasia** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:49 am

You can measure them yourself. Insert the mouthpiece into the end of each slide tube until it barely settles in...no force. If it goes in further on the bottom, it's dual bore.

ttf_msdebrataylor · Post by **ttf_msdebrataylor** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:59 pm

Okay...it is dual bore! I put a mouthpiece in both inner slides at the top, and out of curiosity, at the bottom of the stockings. The bottom slide is larger at both ends of the inner slide.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:34 am

everybody tried to tell you

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but you wouldnt listen

had to figure it out for yourself

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trombonists are sometimes hard headed --it helps deal w the slide
saxaphone big deal /trumpet //FINGER FLIPPERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

well if you see an older 2b the stocking is a distinct part soldered to the inner on upper side
while the lower inner is double drawn in normal fashion
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Quote from: msdebrataylor on Aug 30, 2017, 08:59PMOkay...it is dual bore! I put a mouthpiece in both inner slides at the top, and out of curiosity, at the bottom of the stockings. The bottom slide is larger at both ends of the inner slide.

ttf_msdebrataylor · Post by **ttf_msdebrataylor** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:05 pm

Reducing price once again, to $1,000!